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08:04:59 <brunius> sup
08:09:24 <brunius> !roll 1d20
08:09:24 <Avatar> [brunius] 1d20 -- 1 (Total: 1)
08:24:57 <brunius> cya guys
08:25:00 <brunius> might bbs
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10:04:58 Topic for #d&d is: EM: Sat 3pm | QQ: Sat 7pm | LSK: Sun 28th 11am | PFS: Optional attendance (see Mekkis) || All times AEDT
10:04:58 Topic for #d&d set by Ballig at Tue Nov 23 09:44:43 2010
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13:11:42 <Mekkis> well
13:11:53 <Mekkis> I've done a rather massive change to Jasim's sheet
13:12:00 <Mekkis> Avatar better be happy now:S
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16:53:17 <Avatar> here we go
16:53:19 <Avatar> what've you done
16:54:17 <Avatar> it's amazing how cringeworthy work feels now that I can't IRC there
16:54:31 <Avatar> although it might have more to do with the fact my boss won't let me communicate directly with IT anymore
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17:00:03 <Ballig_> haha
17:00:20 <Ballig_> funny, IT are so sick of you asking them to do stuff that they don't even want you talking to them now
17:00:47 <Avatar> they didn't want me talking to them before
17:01:01 <Avatar> I don't think it would've came back if it weren't for mindterm
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17:01:46 <Brunius> sup
17:04:10 <Avatar> Brunius: you rolled a critical fail lol
17:04:14 <Brunius> http://thedailywh.at/post/1619574507/sick-sock-of-the-day-tardis-socks-and-heres
17:04:31 <Brunius> yeah, I rolled a critical fail on "stop teacher from noticing" check
17:04:43 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you have a list of what you changed
17:04:49 <Avatar> becuase you had to approve everything you were going to change by me
17:05:02 <Avatar> I don't see a pm or anything from you
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17:07:09 <Avatar> he wants to exchange his lance for a guisarme which still has reach but doesn't do double damage from a mount
17:08:07 <Avatar> and lets you make trip attempts instead
17:13:07 <Brunius> So that he can trip the other PC's and backstab them
17:15:27 <Avatar> at range
17:18:56 <Brunius> Just more powergaming, right?
17:24:57 <Avatar> what do you think
17:25:30 <Brunius> I think that if he wants to switch for something as small as that, he's probably just trying to abuse the rules
17:27:46 <Avatar> it's within the rules
17:28:06 <Brunius> still
17:28:40 <Brunius> if it were my game, I wouldn't allow it
17:28:45 <Brunius> even if it were in the rules
17:28:55 <Brunius> which I cbs checking
17:29:06 <Brunius> Ultimately, it's your decision
17:30:43 <Ballig_> what's cbs
17:30:44 <Ballig_> can't be what?
17:31:06 <Brunius> stuffed
17:31:24 <Brunius> also know in some circles as "ceebs"
17:31:25 <Avatar> cbf isn't really swearing
17:31:44 <Avatar> you should say ceebf
17:31:56 <Avatar> or ceebuff
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17:43:39 <Brunius> Rain, Rain, Go away, all the world is waiting for the sun
17:43:49 <Avatar> it's fucking hot in the sun
17:44:05 <Avatar> ...and it's not raining
17:44:30 <Brunius> stupid song
17:49:19 <Brunius> I have an 18mb text file on this computer
17:49:27 <Brunius> It lagged when bringing it up
17:49:29 <Brunius> wtf
17:53:24 <Avatar> use notepad++ to open it
17:54:14 <Brunius> nevar
17:54:47 <Avatar> what do you mean nevar
17:54:51 <Avatar> don't you like solving your problems
17:55:19 <Brunius> not really
17:55:38 <Brunius> and I'm already halfway through finding the stuff I need
17:57:44 <Avatar> Mekkis_x200: lose ride-by attack as well
18:04:32 <Ballig> what other changes did people want made to the website
18:05:17 <Brunius> A "pronz here" button
18:05:52 <Ballig> I don't know what a pronz is
18:06:16 <Brunius> its like porn, but retarded
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18:10:32 <Ballig> I think it's illegal to have pornographic images of mentally retarded people
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18:15:41 <Mekkis> Avatar, so what we do is make a program that appears to be a legitimate work-related program, and get it to connect to IRC
18:15:55 <Mekkis> what legitimate work-related programs do you run?
18:16:13 <Ballig> I think he'd be pushing it if he tried
18:16:19 <Ballig> if he has someone in IT now paying attention, he'll get busted again
18:16:29 <Ballig> he's better off convincing someone to let him start an online live support
18:16:45 <Mekkis> or finding a new job :P
18:17:18 <Ballig> or just live on the dole
18:17:25 <Mekkis> that's no fun
18:17:29 <Mekkis> I did it for six months
18:18:00 <Mekkis> it does however make me feel better about paying taxes
18:18:59 <Ballig> yeah your next $6,000 of tax goes back to welfare !
18:18:59 <Ballig> :p
18:19:11 <Mekkis> nope
18:19:24 <Mekkis> about $1000 of it is offset with HECS
18:26:06 <Ballig> are you using your degree?
18:26:39 <Mekkis> one of them
18:26:47 <Mekkis> the one I didn't get honours in
18:27:16 <Ballig> so you sucked at it?
18:27:22 <Mekkis> ?
18:27:35 <Ballig> because you didn't get honours in it
18:28:30 <Mekkis> nope: I just didn't want to spend another year at uni to get a second honours degree
18:28:48 <Ballig> also you sucked at it
18:29:16 <Mekkis> I did get approached by a lecturer offering me to
18:29:26 <Mekkis> I even did an honours subject
18:29:34 <Ballig> but you sucked at it
18:32:44 <Mekkis> With Christmas fast approaching there is always the question of what gifts to buy people. This year instead of worrying what to buy, where to buy or how to find the time to buy, let Dragonlasers help you with the ideal Christmas gift. A LASER.
18:32:58 <Mekkis> Lasers are like the digital age pocket knives, multipurpose, versatile and extremely useful, making lasers ideal gifts. There is a laser for almost every one and the simple guide below will help you find a suitable laser.
18:33:12 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if I want to give some of my workmates lasers
18:33:41 <Mekkis> These lasers can light cigarettes, cut paper and start fires.
18:33:49 <Ballig> so multipurpose
18:33:53 <Ballig> "burning things"
18:36:30 <Ballig> ANDY: I'll drop an ethics bomb on you. Would you steal bread to feel your family? BOOM!
18:36:31 <Ballig> DWIGHT: It's a trick question. The bread is poisoned. Also it's not your real family - you've been cuckolded by a stronger, smarter male.
18:36:31 <Ballig> ANDY: No, that's - that's not how it works.
18:36:50 <Ballig> er, feed, not feel :p
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19:00:00 <Ballig> spazbot
19:00:01 <Ballig> what's up
19:01:06 <Brunius_AFK> spacer!
19:01:08 <Brunius_AFK> sup
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19:22:47 <Brunius> spaceshot_tm2
19:22:55 <Brunius> spaceshot_tm2
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19:23:07 <Brunius_AFK> baigaiz
19:30:37 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you have the original char sheet before you made all your unaapproved upgrades
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21:02:18 <Mekkis> Avatar, unapproved upgrades?
21:02:34 <Mekkis> remember what I was saying last night about the subversion repository
21:02:51 <Mekkis> I can even give you a line-by-line diff of what changed, and when
21:03:01 <Mekkis> you approved them
21:03:05 <Mekkis> and they're not upgrades
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21:21:28 <Mekkis> has Magus made an appearance
21:21:51 <Mekkis> or has his internet started exhibiting Squirrellike symptoms
21:26:00 * Mekkis considers flooding Avatar with a diff
21:44:38 <Avatar> when did I approve them
22:10:04 <Ballig> did you have more website suggestions Avatar
22:24:23 <Avatar> yeah do you want my text file
22:37:00 <Ballig> what's in it
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22:44:47 <Ballig> is there nothing in the text file Avatar
22:45:03 <Avatar> lots of things
22:45:07 <Avatar> you only got like 3 of them
22:46:06 <Mekkis> Oct 13 14:05:23 <Mekkis> if they both don't, Jasim can kill off Markais and take his belt :P
22:46:10 <Mekkis> how prophetic
22:46:24 <Avatar> hardly
22:46:43 <Avatar> when did I approve your stuff
22:47:57 <Ballig> so what's in the text file
22:50:24 <Mekkis> I'm looking for it in the log
22:52:04 <Ballig> Avatar
22:52:45 <Mekkis> Nov 01 10:34:29 <Mekkis> if you're so adamant about Jasim never getting a new mount, will he be able to retrain half of his feats? Nov 01 10:39:51 <Mekkis> what do you have against mounts anyway? Nov 01 10:48:02 <Avatar> you can retrain your feats
22:53:29 <Mekkis> Nov 01 11:09:41 <Avatar> also you need to update your char sheet man Nov 01 11:09:42 <Avatar> seriously Nov 01 11:30:50 <Avatar> did you use any of those riding feats Nov 01 11:31:09 <Mekkis> I think I used mounted combat once Nov 01 11:31:19 <Avatar> you used spirited charge Nov 01 11:31:26 <Mekkis> no I didn't
22:53:29 <Mekkis> Nov 01 11:31:40 <Avatar> I remember reading triple damage with a lance Nov 01 11:31:45 <Mekkis> yes Nov 01 11:31:49 <Mekkis> on the character sheet Nov 01 11:31:59 <Mekkis> I never made a single charge
22:53:46 <Mekkis> stupid newline stripping
22:55:54 <Ballig> Avatar's list must be empty
22:56:31 <Avatar> dccallow me
22:56:59 <Ballig> okay
22:57:29 <Mekkis> I was considering combat reflexes instead
23:00:10 <Ballig> I got 5 of them, thank you very much
23:00:40 <Ballig> I'm not doing an RSS feed on the articles, it's overkill for something updated that infrequently
23:00:53 <Ballig> you need to tell me what you mean by "more error messages when things fail"
23:00:55 <Ballig> when what things fail
23:03:42 <Avatar> things on the admin page
23:04:18 <Avatar> I don't read anything there about being able to exchange your lance
23:04:28 <Mekkis> I have an issue with the site
23:04:48 <Mekkis> it seems to block the 176th request
23:05:15 <Ballig> every 176th request?
23:05:31 <Mekkis> not sure if it's every
23:05:34 <Avatar> how come you have that log and I don't
23:05:44 <Mekkis> not sure
23:05:54 <Ballig> Avatar: what things
23:05:56 <Ballig> what has failed
23:05:57 <Mekkis> because you don't keep your logs?
23:05:59 <Ballig> things should rarely fail
23:06:04 <Avatar> I keep my logs
23:06:14 <Avatar> Ballig: I'll record them when I find them
23:06:18 <Avatar> things do fail
23:06:24 <Ballig> like what
23:06:25 <Avatar> and it comes back saying "huh what ok"
23:06:31 <Avatar> I don't remember
23:06:34 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'm an hour before you, recall
23:07:14 <Avatar> I've got a log of that day, but not that text
23:07:17 <Ballig> wait when you say 'set players active/inactive' you mean the player account or their characters?
23:07:30 <Avatar> player accounts
23:07:40 <Ballig> uh
23:07:40 <Ballig> why
23:07:59 <Avatar> same reason as the campaigns, on the admin page it's all in a big clump
23:08:10 <Ballig> no
23:08:19 <Avatar> w/e
23:08:25 <Ballig> stupid reason, not worth the effort
23:09:16 <Avatar> fixing update sheet and the accounts section changes are probably the most important ones on there
23:09:33 <Ballig> they're the only two things left
23:09:54 <Avatar> rss feed
23:09:57 <Ballig> no
23:09:59 <Avatar> and the one you just mentioned
23:10:03 <Mekkis> not every 176 times
23:10:11 <Avatar> I don't care if you say no, they're suggestions man
23:10:16 <Mekkis> maybe your webserver misconstrues my script as a DOS
23:10:22 <Ballig> Mekkis: maybe
23:10:43 <Sachiru> Mekkis, assuming you are imprisoned behind a walled forcecage with no gaps in between. Which offensive debuffs could you cast?
23:11:34 <Mekkis> any ones that don't require LOE
23:13:01 <Ballig> would abjurations go through the forcecage?
23:13:52 <Sachiru> Assume that the forcecage is shaped like a force cube (no gaps in between, basically, you're walled in).
23:13:58 <Mekkis> I haven't read forcecage recently
23:14:21 <Sachiru> Casting any AoE spell should cause it to explode inside the cage with horrific results, yes?
23:14:29 <Sachiru> Since it can't get out?
23:14:35 <Mekkis> I haven't read forcecage recently
23:14:38 <Sachiru> For instance, trying to fireball something outside.
23:14:50 <Mekkis> fireball is a bad example
23:14:53 <Ballig> Sachiru: LoE, not AoE
23:15:15 <Ballig> Mekkis: I would say abjuration only because it can affect the ethereal plane, so perhaps it can pass through a forcecage
23:15:18 <Ballig> but that'd require interpretation :p
23:16:07 <Sachiru> So fireball should not go out, but instead explode inside the cage and toast whatever is in it, right?
23:16:54 <Ballig> right
23:17:01 <Ballig> pretend it's a wall you can see through
23:17:19 <Mekkis> Sachiru, fireball is a bad example
23:17:22 <Ballig> things like fireball, acid arrow, lightning bolt etc that has something that needs to go in a straight line toward your target aren't going to work
23:17:26 <Ballig> things that you just need to be able to see should work
23:17:30 <Sachiru> How about effects that summon? Would they be able to summon something outside of the cage?
23:17:43 <Mekkis> as it's an actual *thing* that you throw at them
23:17:50 <Sachiru> Or would it somehow interfere?
23:17:59 <Mekkis> (there are rules for throwing a fireball through a keyhole)
23:18:24 <Sachiru> Thing is, forcecage does NOT have any holes.
23:18:30 <Sachiru> If you don't want it to.
23:18:48 <Sachiru> It's either a 20-ft cage with gaps, or a 10 ft cube with no gaps.
23:18:50 <Ballig> hmm
23:19:15 <Ballig> Line of Effect: A line of effect is a straight, unblocked path that
23:19:16 <Ballig> indicates what a spell can affect. A line of effect is canceled by a solid
23:19:16 <Ballig> barrier. It’s like line of sight for ranged weapons, except that it’s not
23:19:16 <Ballig> blocked by fog, darkness, and other factors that limit normal sight.
23:19:16 <Ballig> You must have a clear line of effect to any target that you cast a
23:19:16 <Ballig> spell on or to any space in which you wish to create an effect (such
23:19:16 <Ballig> as conjuring a monster). You must have a clear line of effect to the
23:19:16 <Ballig> point of origin of any spell you cast, such as the center of a fireball.
23:19:25 <Mekkis> Ballig, point an svn client at svn://nl.ti4200.info/
23:19:43 <Ballig> I don't have an SVN client
23:19:48 <Sachiru> The "solid barrier" part bothers me.
23:20:00 <Sachiru> Are the walls of the forcecage considered to be solid?
23:20:12 <Mekkis> I would say yes
23:20:16 <Sachiru> Or should I simply imprison inside a prismatic sphere to be sure?
23:20:27 <Ballig> forcecage is solid
23:20:33 <Ballig> I think pretty much all spells require LOE
23:20:35 <Mekkis> are you trying to pull of some deus ex dming?
23:20:40 <Ballig> if a summon spell requires it, all spells are likely to
23:20:50 <Ballig> yeah he's going to remove the cleric's ability to cast too
23:20:53 <Ballig> ha ha! from the gamers
23:20:54 <Mekkis> s/of/off/
23:21:04 <Sachiru> Not really.
23:21:19 <Sachiru> I'm trying to look for a way to imprison another guy in.
23:21:40 <Mekkis> I suggest the spell /imprisonment/
23:21:44 <Sachiru> He's Geassed to try to sabotage us, yet we can't kill him since a MacGuffin's powers are tied to his life.
23:21:49 <Mekkis> Ghandi used it on the Tarrasque
23:22:20 <Avatar> Mekkis: I still need to know everything you changed on that new sheet
23:22:43 <Mekkis> Avatar, point an svn client at svn://nl.ti4200.info
23:22:44 <Sachiru> I don't want to touch the guy.
23:22:56 <Sachiru> He's a wight with a freaky template that gives him six arms.
23:22:57 <Mekkis> svn co svn://nl.ti4200.info/ sheets
23:23:06 <Mekkis> reach spell?
23:23:12 <Sachiru> I don't have that feat.
23:23:16 <Avatar> what is an svn client
23:23:24 <Mekkis> rod of greater metamagic reach
23:23:28 <Sachiru> If I had, I would simply imprison him as well.
23:23:31 <Mekkis> tortisesvn is one
23:23:40 <Sachiru> I don't have the time to shop for or craft a rod.
23:24:09 <Mekkis> nybor's joyful voyage!
23:26:36 <Mekkis> Avatar: http://dnd.pastebay.com/110421
23:27:07 <Mekkis> syntax highlighting and everything!
23:27:52 <Mekkis> I might change Weapon Focus (Guisarme) for Combat Reflexes
23:28:26 <Avatar> get rid of ride by attack, you won't use that
23:28:36 <Mekkis> ok
23:28:43 <Mekkis> I'll shove in combat reflexes there
23:29:04 <Sachiru> Thanks.
23:29:21 <Mekkis> since I'm assuming you want core-only feats
23:29:21 <Sachiru> Now, know of any tome that increases intelligence?
23:29:21 <Avatar> you can be choosier with feats
23:29:31 <Mekkis> knowledge devotion?
23:29:38 <Mekkis> no
23:29:41 <Mekkis> that's broken
23:29:51 <Avatar> no
23:29:51 <Mekkis> and powergaming
23:30:01 <Avatar> I still don't know about the guisarme
23:30:07 <Mekkis> it's core
23:30:27 <Avatar> yeah but it's an object, not part of your character
23:30:39 <Mekkis> I feel that the more unusual weapons in the PHB should be used
23:30:57 <Mekkis> rather than the boring dagger/longsword/greatsword/greataxe/spiked chain
23:31:16 <Mekkis> regardless, if my character isn't riding, he won't be using a lance
23:31:28 <Avatar> your character hasn't been riding and he has been using a lance
23:32:51 <Mekkis> and he wouldn't if he'd known that he wouldn't be riding
23:32:51 <Mekkis> he'd have bought one in willow ridge
23:32:53 <Mekkis> or made one
23:33:43 <Avatar> but he hasn't been riding
23:34:21 <Mekkis> actually, I'll go Endurance instead of Combat Reflexes
23:34:25 <Avatar> diehard is agood feat
23:34:35 <Mekkis> no it isn't
23:34:52 <Avatar> it would have saved Markias' life
23:34:52 <Mekkis> really?
23:35:21 <Avatar> assuming Jasim didn't run him through of course
23:35:21 <Avatar> he was at -9
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23:36:23 <Ballig> Avatar: I take it you're going to want me to add an extended character sheet checkbox for the update bit won't you
23:37:22 <Avatar> yeah
23:37:22 <Avatar> I hadn't thought of that
23:37:22 <Ballig> you realise it's already the longest line, right
23:37:52 <Avatar> just add a tickbox with BB next to it
23:38:22 <Ballig> why do you insist on the admin page being even uglier
23:38:22 <Ballig> why !
23:38:22 <Avatar> hey you're the one who doesn't want to make inactive players to keep it cleaner
23:38:22 <Avatar> dr no
23:38:45 <Ballig> that part I'm happy with
23:39:34 <Avatar> I would've thought inactive players wouldn't have been any harder than inactive campaigns
23:42:24 <Ballig> the biggest annoyance is trying to find a way to show that it's inactive, and where do you put the button to mark it inactive, blah blah
23:42:33 <Ballig> and all for nothing
23:42:33 <Ballig> just because you want the list split into two lists
23:43:05 <Mekkis> what is a pity is that if Markais had been more civil and talked to Jasim about the sins of lying and the importance of human companionship (and maybe the fact that humans should be treated with a little more respect than animals), Jasim would have confessed and tried to repent.
23:44:21 <Ballig> what does the `c` field mean in this database
23:44:34 <Mekkis> database?
23:44:34 <Ballig> apparently it's the campaign ID
23:44:36 <Avatar> the way to show it's inactive is with a pause icon, identical to the campaign list
23:44:39 <Ballig> wonder what the `cmp` field is then
23:44:51 <Avatar> the button to mark it inactive is the same as fields on the admin page
23:44:57 <Avatar> just use an inactivate button
23:45:21 <Ballig> Avatar: why
23:45:21 <Avatar> why what
23:45:21 <Ballig> why
23:45:23 <Ballig> how often do you even use the list
23:45:28 <Avatar> all the time
23:45:33 <Ballig> hy
23:45:33 <Ballig> why
23:45:33 <Avatar> I prefer it over going through the campaigns
23:46:00 <Ballig> so you'd rather have to go to all the effort of making entire accounts inactive and active just so it's slightly easier to go through the characters of active accounts?
23:46:17 <Avatar> there'll probably be other benefits as well later
23:47:51 <Ballig> like what
23:48:14 <Ballig> the only thing I can think is that if I add email addresses to the accounts you could email only active accounts
23:48:33 <Mekkis> Ballig, having a file on the website that has the last modified date of the character sheets (maybe the output of ls -l) would be nice
23:48:41 <Ballig> it's stored in the database
23:48:52 <Mekkis> it is?
23:48:54 <Ballig> yes
23:49:33 <Ballig> well, not the last modified date of the file itself. but the last time it was uploaded
23:51:21 <Mekkis> something tells me that access to that information is a lot more elegant than:
23:51:21 <Mekkis> while [ $MISCOUNT -lt 5 ]; do
23:51:21 <Mekkis> wget http://dnd.ballig.net/chars/$COUNT -N
23:51:21 <Mekkis> RC=$?
23:51:21 <Mekkis> if [ $RC -eq 0 ]; then
23:51:21 <Mekkis> MISCOUNT=0
23:51:21 <Mekkis> fi
23:51:21 <Mekkis> MISCOUNT=`echo $MISCOUNT + $RC | bc `;
23:51:33 <Mekkis> COUNT=`echo $COUNT + 1 | bc `;
23:51:33 <Mekkis> done
23:51:54 <Ballig> probably
23:52:21 <Mekkis> meh... this method DOES work
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