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23:00 <doggyrat> hallo
23:50 Join: doggyrat ([email protected]) to #australia
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23:53 <doggyrat> hallo
24:00 <gee_man> ey doggyrat
24:00 <gee_man> ey doggyrat
24:00 <gee_man> any luck getting back into that makerspace?
24:00 <gee_man> or is it a permanent ban?
24:00 <doggyrat> at the moment i am only banned from official events
24:11 <gee_man> any luck getting back into that makerspace?
24:19 <gee_man> or is it a permanent ban?
24:46 <doggyrat> at the moment i am only banned from official events
25:00 <doggyrat> but i do need filament for the 3D printer first
25:00 <gee_man> is there a time limit on that?
25:00 <doggyrat> yes, prints that take longer than 3 hours should be done over night
25:03 <doggyrat> but i do need filament for the 3D printer first
25:05 <gee_man> is there a time limit on that?
25:49 <doggyrat> yes, prints that take longer than 3 hours should be done over night
26:00 <gee_man> no i mean the ban
26:00 <doggyrat> until next year , but i am afraid they will extend the ban for some more month
26:16 <gee_man> no i mean the ban
26:58 <doggyrat> until next year , but i am afraid they will extend the ban for some more month
27:00 <doggyrat> yesterday we had a online christmas party of the fablab, but i joined very late
27:00 <gee_man> oh, that sucks, i guess you can try to help other people in the forum and hope you get it lifted
27:00 <doggyrat> they have been playing a game based on a street view picture and people had to find out the location
27:29 <doggyrat> yesterday we had a online christmas party of the fablab, but i joined very late
27:38 <gee_man> oh, that sucks, i guess you can try to help other people in the forum and hope you get it lifted
27:53 <doggyrat> they have been playing a game based on a street view picture and people had to find out the location
28:00 <gee_man> haha that's cool
28:00 <gee_man> i don't know where i'd even start to figure that out
28:00 <doggyrat> i was not playing just watching , you could use street view to look around and figure out
28:12 <gee_man> haha that's cool
28:38 <gee_man> i don't know where i'd even start to figure that out
28:59 <doggyrat> i was not playing just watching , you could use street view to look around and figure out
29:00 <doggyrat> looking for street signs to identify the country and then try to find the location
29:50 <doggyrat> looking for street signs to identify the country and then try to find the location
31:00 <gee_man> if i had unlimited resources, i'd download the entire maps database and do an image search
31:00 <doggyrat> but you are not allowed to google in maps 
31:00 <doggyrat> and there is a time limit
31:08 <gee_man> if i had unlimited resources, i'd download the entire maps database and do an image search
31:43 <doggyrat> but you are not allowed to google in maps
31:54 <doggyrat> and there is a time limit
32:00 <gee_man> hm.. that makes it difficult
32:00 <gee_man> relying on the human brain
32:00 <doggyrat> if it is a bigger city it is easy but a small village in Poland i.e. is very hard to find in the map
32:19 <gee_man> hm.. that makes it difficult
32:34 <gee_man> relying on the human brain
32:38 <doggyrat> if it is a bigger city it is easy but a small village in Poland i.e. is very hard to find in the map
33:00 <doggyrat> you need to click into the map to place your flag , who is the closest gets more points
33:00 <gee_man> sounds like fun to watch, i wouldn't be of much use, however, i'm not a traveler
33:33 <doggyrat> you need to click into the map to place your flag , who is the closest gets more points
33:38 <gee_man> sounds like fun to watch, i wouldn't be of much use, however, i'm not a traveler
34:00 <doggyrat> either am i 
34:02 <doggyrat> either am i
35:00 <gee_man> i'm working on some javascript to crack the password to one of my old crypto wallets
35:00 <doggyrat> as i made my own youtube channel i need the prototype to be functional to make new videos
35:11 <gee_man> i'm working on some javascript to crack the password to one of my old crypto wallets
35:13 <doggyrat> as i made my own youtube channel i need the prototype to be functional to make new videos
36:00 <gee_man> filament isn't that expensive, is it?
36:13 <gee_man> filament isn't that expensive, is it?
39:00 <doggyrat> no , it would be about Aus$ 30 for 800g plus Aus$ 8 for dispatch
39:47 <doggyrat> no , it would be about Aus$ 30 for 800g plus Aus$ 8 for dispatch
40:00 <gee_man> 800g is a lot!
40:00 <gee_man> but good price
40:00 <doggyrat> it is a manufacturer of my region, i bought a very cheap one in ebay but the quality was that bad , i was no more allowed to use it 
40:14 <gee_man> 800g is a lot!
40:26 <gee_man> but good price
40:47 <doggyrat> it is a manufacturer of my region, i bought a very cheap one in ebay but the quality was that bad , i was no more allowed to use it
41:00 <gee_man> yeah, it's easy to get ripped off on ebay
41:00 <doggyrat> i do pay more now to make sure it has the required quality
41:45 <gee_man> yeah, it's easy to get ripped off on ebay
41:48 <doggyrat> i do pay more now to make sure it has the required quality
44:00 <doggyrat> one of the buildings in my videos is about to be broken down, now it looks like a war zone
44:00 <gee_man> does your makerspace offer discounts for using a particular supplier? or is the makerspace not that big?
44:06 <doggyrat> one of the buildings in my videos is about to be broken down, now it looks like a war zone
44:07 <gee_man> does your makerspace offer discounts for using a particular supplier? or is the makerspace not that big?
47:00 <doggyrat> no discounts
47:12 <doggyrat> no discounts
50:00 <gee_man> there should be, especially if they demand high quality filament
50:00 <doggyrat> we are not a company, just a association of about 160 people and the the place has about 700qm
50:24 <gee_man> there should be, especially if they demand high quality filament
50:36 <doggyrat> we are not a company, just a association of about 160 people and the the place has about 700qm
51:00 <gee_man> oh ok
51:00 <doggyrat> hard enough to buy equipment and pay the rent just of the membership fee
51:00 <gee_man> 700qm?
51:00 <doggyrat> square meters
51:00 <gee_man> oh right
51:00 <gee_man> that's actually quite big
51:03 <gee_man> oh ok
51:05 <doggyrat> hard enough to buy equipment and pay the rent just of the membership fee
51:06 <gee_man> 700qm?
51:33 <doggyrat> square meters
51:40 <gee_man> oh right
51:57 <gee_man> that's actually quite big
53:00 <gee_man> i reckon you could get the leader of the association to cut a deal with a particular manufacturer to use them exclusively if members get a discount
53:00 <doggyrat> may be it is only 500 i am not sure but it is still expensive to rent
53:00 <gee_man> 1000m is a kilometre
53:03 <gee_man> i reckon you could get the leader of the association to cut a deal with a particular manufacturer to use them exclusively if members get a discount
53:06 <doggyrat> may be it is only 500 i am not sure but it is still expensive to rent
53:39 <gee_man> 1000m is a kilometre
55:00 <gee_man> i'm thinking you mean 70sqm
55:19 <gee_man> i'm thinking you mean 70sqm
56:00 <gee_man> even 50sqm is quite big, about the length of an olympic swimming pool
56:20 <gee_man> even 50sqm is quite big, about the length of an olympic swimming pool
56:59 <doggyrat> i am confused i think it is about 35m x 15m
57:00 <doggyrat> i am confused i think it is about 35m x 15m
57:00 <gee_man> yeah that sounds about right
57:00 <doggyrat> 525
57:16 <gee_man> yeah that sounds about right
57:45 <doggyrat> 525
58:00 <gee_man> hm.. maybe i'm the one who's got it wrong; i've forgotten how to calculate square metres
58:28 <gee_man> hm.. maybe i'm the one who's got it wrong; i've forgotten how to calculate square metres
59:00 <gee_man> yeah you've got it right
59:28 <gee_man> yeah you've got it right
00:00 <gee_man> i was thinking 20sqm is 20x20 but that's incorrect
00:00 <doggyrat> i do not exactly but we do pay about Aus$ 2700 cold each month
00:00 <gee_man> woah, dunno how you afford that
00:17 <gee_man> i was thinking 20sqm is 20x20 but that's incorrect
00:29 <doggyrat> i do not exactly but we do pay about Aus$ 2700 cold each month
00:56 <gee_man> woah, dunno how you afford that
01:00 <doggyrat> the full fee for membership is 25 euro per month and we do have about 100 members paying that
01:52 <doggyrat> the full fee for membership is 25 euro per month and we do have about 100 members paying that
02:00 <gee_man> oh ok i get you now
02:00 <doggyrat> plus about 60 members just pay reduced membership of 10 euro per month, unemployed ....
02:37 <gee_man> oh ok i get you now
02:42 <doggyrat> plus about 60 members just pay reduced membership of 10 euro per month, unemployed ....
03:00 <gee_man> i should take up a hobby
03:00 <doggyrat> but there are other costs too , like assurance ....
03:42 <gee_man> i should take up a hobby
03:53 <doggyrat> but there are other costs too , like assurance ....
04:00 <gee_man> insurance can be expensive
04:00 <doggyrat> the maker space lost one of its biggest sponsors two years ago
04:18 <gee_man> insurance can be expensive
04:27 <doggyrat> the maker space lost one of its biggest sponsors two years ago
06:00 <doggyrat> on an open lab day we might make up to 200 euro in donations , normally it is about 120 euro
06:04 <doggyrat> on an open lab day we might make up to 200 euro in donations , normally it is about 120 euro
07:00 <gee_man> i should get a hobby like that, something to use my hands with
07:00 <doggyrat> a month just has 4 Saturdays , and the use of the machinery does cause costs too
07:00 <gee_man> yeah, electricity and repairs
07:00 <doggyrat> i do have clumsy hands and feet
07:06 <gee_man> i should get a hobby like that, something to use my hands with
07:11 <doggyrat> a month just has 4 Saturdays , and the use of the machinery does cause costs too
07:44 <gee_man> yeah, electricity and repairs
07:55 <doggyrat> i do have clumsy hands and feet
08:00 <doggyrat> if i would not be able to draw it and let the laser cutter or 3D printer make the work i would fail in everything
08:34 <doggyrat> if i would not be able to draw it and let the laser cutter or 3D printer make the work i would fail in everything
09:00 <gee_man> my medication is making my hands tremor, and it's only going to get worse as i age, so i know what you mean
09:40 <gee_man> my medication is making my hands tremor, and it's only going to get worse as i age, so i know what you mean
10:00 <doggyrat> what kind of medicine are you taking
10:00 <gee_man> a moderate dose of anti-psychotics
10:09 <doggyrat> what kind of medicine are you taking
10:25 <gee_man> a moderate dose of anti-psychotics
11:00 <doggyrat> next problem is that i do not plan, i just start building to find out that the size is too small or too big
11:00 <doggyrat> then i do modify
11:42 <doggyrat> next problem is that i do not plan, i just start building to find out that the size is too small or too big
11:52 <doggyrat> then i do modify
12:00 <gee_man> sounds like how i approach my programming projects
12:16 <gee_man> sounds like how i approach my programming projects
14:00 <doggyrat> the point is that my scope camera is too big , to make it smaller i have to renounce to be able moving the sensor plate
14:29 <doggyrat> the point is that my scope camera is too big , to make it smaller i have to renounce to be able moving the sensor plate
15:00 <gee_man> is it heavy, too?
15:00 <doggyrat> which is helpful for using different lenses on the camera including taking makro pictures
15:42 <gee_man> is it heavy, too?
15:44 <doggyrat> which is helpful for using different lenses on the camera including taking makro pictures
16:00 <doggyrat> have you seen the picture of it
16:00 <gee_man> i don't click links
16:07 <doggyrat> have you seen the picture of it
16:13 <gee_man> i don't click links
17:00 <gee_man> so, no
17:00 <gee_man> so, no
18:00 <doggyrat> i will try to upload it to imgur
18:00 <gee_man> don't
18:24 <doggyrat> i will try to upload it to imgur
18:32 Part: alienated ([email protected]) from #australia
18:48 <gee_man> don't
19:00 <gee_man> i won't click links, i've been tricked too many times
19:00 <gee_man> even from people i thought i could trust
19:00 <gee_man> so as a rule, i don't click any links whatsoever
19:08 <gee_man> i won't click links, i've been tricked too many times
19:29 <gee_man> even from people i thought i could trust
19:37 <gee_man> so as a rule, i don't click any links whatsoever
22:00 <gee_man> i hope you're not going to too much effort to upload it
22:00 <gee_man> because i won't see it
22:13 <gee_man> i hope you're not going to too much effort to upload it
22:23 <gee_man> because i won't see it
28:00 <gee_man> it's getting late, but i'm not tired because i slept in 'til 2pm today from 10pm last night
28:31 <gee_man> it's getting late, but i'm not tired because i slept in 'til 2pm today from 10pm last night
31:00 <gee_man> still, maybe i should try to get some sleep
31:41 <gee_man> still, maybe i should try to get some sleep
35:00 <doggyrat> have a look at imgur.com search for rifle scope camera
35:33 <doggyrat> have a look at imgur.com search for rifle scope camera
36:00 <gee_man> no i'm not going to do that either, sorry
36:00 <gee_man> too easy to embed a script in user forums
36:00 <gee_man> including imgur
36:00 <gee_man> same with youtube comment section
36:09 <gee_man> no i'm not going to do that either, sorry
36:26 <gee_man> too easy to embed a script in user forums
36:33 <gee_man> including imgur
36:46 <gee_man> same with youtube comment section
37:00 <electrohead> you can disable javascript, you know
37:40 <electrohead> you can disable javascript, you know
38:00 <gee_man> yes but the server could log my ip
38:00 <gee_man> regardless of scripts
38:00 <gee_man> or rather, regardless of client side scripts
38:00 <electrohead> tor? vpn? guest wifi/network?
38:09 <gee_man> yes but the server could log my ip
38:24 <gee_man> regardless of scripts
38:41 <gee_man> or rather, regardless of client side scripts
38:47 <electrohead> tor? vpn? guest wifi/network?
39:00 <gee_man> i don't use any of them, and i don't really want to
39:00 <electrohead> then you don't get to complain, then
39:00 <electrohead> sorry
39:17 <gee_man> i don't use any of them, and i don't really want to
39:38 <electrohead> then you don't get to complain, then
39:40 <electrohead> sorry
40:00 <gee_man> complain about what
40:11 <gee_man> complain about what
40:28 * electrohead virtually smacks gee_man
41:00 <doggyrat> run a live cd on your computer that is risk free
41:15 <doggyrat> run a live cd on your computer that is risk free
41:34 Part: doggyrat ([email protected]) from #australia (in time of covid take care and stay safe)
42:00 <gee_man> there are probably many ways i could make it secure to browse dodgy sites, but i don't have the knowledge to do so, so instead i'll just not click any links
42:36 <gee_man> there are probably many ways i could make it secure to browse dodgy sites, but i don't have the knowledge to do so, so instead i'll just not click any links
52:00 <electrohead> gee_man: don't you remember me giving you a bunch of information in the past?
52:49 <electrohead> gee_man: don't you remember me giving you a bunch of information in the past?
53:00 <gee_man> i remember, even though i said i don't click links, you gave me links
53:00 <gee_man> many links
53:00 <electrohead> you are beyond frustrating, lol
53:00 <electrohead> >.<
53:22 <gee_man> i remember, even though i said i don't click links, you gave me links
53:27 <gee_man> many links
53:41 <electrohead> you are beyond frustrating, lol
53:43 <electrohead> >.<
55:00 <gee_man> i've been burned too many times electrohead
55:00 <gee_man> if i somehow get convinced to click a link again, i'll leave austnet
55:00 <electrohead> well then learn from it?
55:15 <gee_man> i've been burned too many times electrohead
55:36 <gee_man> if i somehow get convinced to click a link again, i'll leave austnet
55:37 <electrohead> well then learn from it?
56:00 <gee_man> i have learnt from it, i don't click any links now
56:00 <electrohead> firstly - if you even remotely question a link, search the link on google, duckduckgo, etc
56:04 <gee_man> i have learnt from it, i don't click any links now
56:22 <electrohead> firstly - if you even remotely question a link, search the link on google, duckduckgo, etc
57:00 <electrohead> there are times where I just wget/curl a webpage, and then search through the source code
57:00 <electrohead> my browser is palemoon, I compile it myself from source - I then also use a multitude of extensions and scripts for disabling javascript, among other things
57:03 <electrohead> there are times where I just wget/curl a webpage, and then search through the source code
57:59 <electrohead> my browser is palemoon, I compile it myself from source - I then also use a multitude of extensions and scripts for disabling javascript, among other things
58:00 <gee_man> i tried compiling a linux disto from source once, it was .. an experience
58:38 <gee_man> i tried compiling a linux disto from source once, it was .. an experience
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55:00 <gee_man> i should probably get some sleep
55:36 <gee_man> i should probably get some sleep
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51:32 * electrohead hgs Bonny
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10:45 <electrohead> hugs*
10:45 <demob> hi electro
10:45 <electrohead> hey mate
10:45 <demob> might watch a romantic comedy. like hostel
10:45 <demob> but its me whos bleeding now, argh
10:45 <demob> idiota. my face got in the fan blade
10:45 <demob> ill tell the cops Bonny hit me
10:45 <demob> brb
10:45 <demob> the cage for this fan was annoying me and kept coming off so i took it all off. then a few days later a laptop caused a blade to get chips in it so if it makes contact with skin it draws blood
10:45 <demob> and my face just made contact, ouch
10:45 <demob> and it looks worse on me because im on anticoags so theres about 20 bloodied tissues
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36:28 <gee_man> 20 hours of sleep can't be good
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39:00 <gee_man> fark'n sunday
39:43 <gee_man> fark'n sunday
40:00 <Mattt> Scheduled for all day, as I understand it.
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40:52 <Mattt> Scheduled for all day, as I understand it.
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42:00 <gee_man> we should reschedule sundays to have more than 24 hours, there's just not enough time to do everything
42:22 <gee_man> we should reschedule sundays to have more than 24 hours, there's just not enough time to do everything
47:00 <Mattt> I've been an advocate of 72 hour days for many decades.
47:00 <Mattt> 24 hours to work, 24 to sleep and 24 to just relax (while not aslee). Sure it'd work.
47:18 <Mattt> I've been an advocate of 72 hour days for many decades.
47:27 <gee_man> i still haven't fully woken up
47:52 <Mattt> 24 hours to work, 24 to sleep and 24 to just relax (while not aslee). Sure it'd work.
48:00 <Mattt> asleep*, too
48:00 <gee_man> then it's settled. i'll pay elon musk to slow down the earth's rotation by 300%
48:00 <Mattt> 24 hours in one day clearly doesn't work well.
48:00 <Mattt> Awesome. We're done here. Next?
48:00 <gee_man> i'm sure he'll use rockets or something
48:02 <Mattt> asleep*, too
48:13 <gee_man> then it's settled. i'll pay elon musk to slow down the earth's rotation by 300%
48:17 <Mattt> 24 hours in one day clearly doesn't work well.
48:31 <Mattt> Awesome. We're done here. Next?
48:31 <gee_man> i'm sure he'll use rockets or something
49:00 <gee_man> the next item on the agenda is the lizard people getting frustrated that global warming isn't happening fast enough
49:00 <Mattt> Whatevs. He only gots ta get it done. He seems... okay... at that, at least :-)
49:10 <gee_man> the next item on the agenda is the lizard people getting frustrated that global warming isn't happening fast enough
49:27 <Mattt> Whatevs. He only gots ta get it done. He seems... okay... at that, at least :-)
50:00 <Mattt> I have no understanding of that whatsoever. Although I very much beleive the globe should warm. Cold is fucked.
50:05 <Mattt> I have no understanding of that whatsoever. Although I very much beleive the globe should warm. Cold is fucked.
50:26 <Mattt> What is "20 hours of sleep"?
50:57 <gee_man> slept from about 10pm last night thru to 2pm today
51:00 <gee_man> well, there's debate that if we rise temperatures too fast, we'll end up with another ice age
51:00 <Mattt> If cold was okay, Mlb would be for me. Probably. Tech type, and most best tech is done in Mlb.
51:00 <Mattt> (in AU, I mean)
51:00 <Mattt> Hmmm... again, I'm not at all knowledgeable there.
51:00 <gee_man> it's funny, i prefer 25 degrees in winter, and 18 in summer
51:10 <gee_man> well, there's debate that if we rise temperatures too fast, we'll end up with another ice age
51:18 <gee_man> i woke up occasionally, but went back to sleep
51:20 <Mattt> If cold was okay, Mlb would be for me. Probably. Tech type, and most best tech is done in Mlb.
51:28 <Mattt> (in AU, I mean)
51:35 <gee_man> i suppose that's 16 hours not 20
51:58 <Mattt> Hmmm... again, I'm not at all knowledgeable there.
51:59 <gee_man> it's funny, i prefer 25 degrees in winter, and 18 in summer
52:00 <Mattt> 25 to 30 works for me. Pretty sure it's a lot to do with my build. No body fat (as such).
52:39 <Mattt> 25 to 30 works for me. Pretty sure it's a lot to do with my build. No body fat (as such).
53:00 <gee_man> speaking of fat, i should probably have lunch
53:00 <Mattt> I think that, if one doesn't have all the "insulation" many do nowadays, environmental temp, etc, makes much more difference.
53:00 <gee_man> brb
53:00 <gee_man> yeah, i'm slightly overweight
53:00 <gee_man> lack of exercise, basically
53:09 <gee_man> speaking of fat, i should probably have lunch
53:23 <Mattt> I think that, if one doesn't have all the "insulation" many do nowadays, environmental temp, etc, makes much more difference.
53:23 <gee_man> brb
53:41 <gee_man> the worst thing about sleeping for that long is one's eyes are difficult to open
53:47 <gee_man> yeah, i'm slightly overweight
53:57 <gee_man> lack of exercise, basically
54:00 <gee_man> brb
54:00 <gee_man> brb
54:00 <Mattt> I suffer from the latter, but not the former.
54:00 <Mattt> Uhuh
54:10 <Mattt> I suffer from the latter, but not the former.
54:13 <Mattt> Uhuh
54:17 <gee_man> eyelids practically glued shut
55:00 <Mattt> My heart is a tad suspect, though, so in a way I think (maybe) exercising less than I'd ordinarily like to might be a little safer for me. For now, at least.
55:00 <Mattt> Avoiding medical scenes, etc, while they're apparently a hot bed of dangerous germs and stuffs.
55:17 <Mattt> My heart is a tad suspect, though, so in a way I think (maybe) exercising less than I'd ordinarily like to might be a little safer for me. For now, at least.
55:52 <Mattt> Avoiding medical scenes, etc, while they're apparently a hot bed of dangerous germs and stuffs.
56:00 <Mattt> ...But apparently have a heart problem that may wind up being no fun.
56:09 <Mattt> ...But apparently have a heart problem that may wind up being no fun.
57:00 <Mattt> My GT clearly now hates me. Keeps breathing all of the air out of it's tyres :-(
57:58 <Mattt> My GT clearly now hates me. Keeps breathing all of the air out of it's tyres :-(
58:00 <Mattt> I've never heard a bike "sigh" before.
58:00 <gee_man> ha
58:00 <Mattt> Should never have turned 50. My bad.
58:26 <Mattt> I've never heard a bike "sigh" before.
58:44 <gee_man> ha
58:54 <Mattt> Should never have turned 50. My bad.
03:51 <gee_man> why the hell aren't self-test kits being given out for free in australia
04:00 <gee_man> i'll be lucky to make 60 i reckon
04:00 <gee_man> if not because of the amount of coffee i used to drink, then because of the drugs i knowingly and unknowingly took
04:11 <gee_man> i'll be lucky to make 60 i reckon
04:15 <Mattt> $$$
04:19 <gee_man> who the hell is profiting from self-test kits not being given out for free
04:28 <gee_man> it'd save money
04:40 <gee_man> if not because of the amount of coffee i used to drink, then because of the drugs i knowingly and unknowingly took
04:44 <Mattt> Same reason there was so much fuckin' around to get vaxs here in the first instance (Pfizer and AU govt both said so straight up).
04:55 <gee_man> especially when we're headed for 25,000 new cases a day soon
05:00 <Mattt> Can reverse a lot of damage...
05:00 <Mattt> But that's a *way* too wide conversation at any rate ;-)
05:04 <Mattt> Can reverse a lot of damage...
05:05 <Mattt> Uhuh. Agreed.
05:41 <Mattt> Thankfully, I accidently made myself a loner / hermit for the foreseeable future. But bugger being anyone else in this crap storm :-/
05:54 <Mattt> But that's a *way* too wide conversation at any rate ;-)
06:00 <gee_man> i could pretty easily take up coffee again, but i figure my dna is damaged enough as it is
06:06 <gee_man> i don't have that luxury
06:22 <gee_man> i could pretty easily take up coffee again, but i figure my dna is damaged enough as it is
07:00 <Mattt> Caffeine's unlikely to take you out. That'd be too easy.
07:00 <Mattt> The sugar, perhaps :p
07:00 <Mattt> But... still prolly not.
07:20 <Mattt> Caffeine's unlikely to take you out. That'd be too easy.
07:25 <Mattt> Yeah, understood. I'm defs an edge case in that regard.
07:34 <Mattt> The sugar, perhaps :p
07:44 <Mattt> But... still prolly not.
08:00 <gee_man> the only sugar i have is in fruit
08:07 <Mattt> I think you're south of me. Not that I think it'll make much difference when all
08:12 <Mattt> 's said and done.
08:33 <gee_man> the only sugar i have is in fruit
08:37 <gee_man> $50 for a pack of 5 self-test kits
08:46 <gee_man> no guarantee that it works for omicron
08:58 <Mattt> Presently (until today, perhaps) Qld has been pretty groovy with it all (as such).
08:59 <gee_man> some of it's processed fruit, however
09:00 <gee_man> some of it's processed fruit, however
09:00 <Mattt> Excellent. Way better than I.
09:00 <Mattt> Yeah, I get that.
09:00 <Mattt> But I reckon, too, that we don't gots ta do *everything* to be all healthy and shit. Just make a decent effort overall :-)
09:01 <Mattt> Excellent. Way better than I.
09:09 <Mattt> Yeah, I get that.
09:19 <Mattt> Yeah, seems no guarantees about anything to do with this stuff.
09:40 <Mattt> But I reckon, too, that we don't gots ta do *everything* to be all healthy and shit. Just make a decent effort overall :-)
09:50 <Mattt> All of the most vax'ed folk are now the most infected (meh... if you read the media like it was a / the story).
10:52 <Mattt> Science'll figure it out in due course :-) It might hurry tf up though :-)
11:00 <Mattt> I toyed with giving up alcohol completely for many, many months (accidently - I meant to cut down a lot, but then just... stopped bothering at all). The tea thing afterward almost did me in.
11:00 <Mattt> Still having some problems that may well be related to the tea crap.
11:01 <Mattt> might want to* hurry...
11:13 <Mattt> I toyed with giving up alcohol completely for many, many months (accidently - I meant to cut down a lot, but then just... stopped bothering at all). The tea thing afterward almost did me in.
11:19 <gee_man> hurry tf up is right
11:26 <Mattt> Uhuh
11:48 <Mattt> It's been too long already, but I guess that's more of the aforely-mentioned govt / $$$ issues at play.
11:53 <Mattt> Still having some problems that may well be related to the tea crap.
12:00 <gee_man> i trained myself to like water. works well for me
12:20 <Mattt> UQ had a vax before the rest of the world. But they weren't right for the spot, politically or fiscally.
12:29 <gee_man> i trained myself to like water. works well for me
13:00 <Mattt> Hells yeah. Have always drunk at least as much water as I should. Always, including when more focussed on filling my body with stuff like red wine.
13:19 <Mattt> Luckily, the US govt has some stake in Pfizer, so we were all able to saved just in time (presumaby, for the next run of elections).
13:28 <Mattt> to be* saved...,
13:34 <Mattt> Hells yeah. Have always drunk at least as much water as I should. Always, including when more focussed on filling my body with stuff like red wine.
14:00 <gee_man> i just had some pretend beef (tofu) and now i'm craving beef steak
14:39 <gee_man> i just had some pretend beef (tofu) and now i'm craving beef steak
14:51 <Mattt> Of course, Pfizer (et al) are now hopeless against the new thread anyways. But pretty sure all with investments have made their dough now, so whatevs.
15:00 <Mattt> Ughh... I'm only "allergic" to capsicum, but sooooo not fond of tofu.
15:00 <gee_man> dunno how long this vegetarian diet is gonna last
15:00 <Mattt> Make it for only as long as you're craving it. Then get back to all the other nutrients almost all of us need :-)
15:07 <Mattt> Ughh... I'm only "allergic" to capsicum, but sooooo not fond of tofu.
15:08 <gee_man> dunno how long this vegetarian diet is gonna last
15:28 <Mattt> Now the govt can no longer ban us from dancing, I doubt their interest levels will remain high.
15:47 <Mattt> Make it for only as long as you're craving it. Then get back to all the other nutrients almost all of us need :-)
16:00 <Mattt> (sure, they can ban us from dancing again... but they'll be less than popular and that's not how you do business)
16:00 <gee_man> yeah, i should probably get some supplements
16:00 <Mattt> Heh. My salt grinder (cheap, plastic Coles crap) lost its shit into my pan of eggplant and asparagus last night :-(
16:00 <Mattt> Nah, not needed.
16:00 <Mattt> Just eat meat again when your body asks for it :-)
16:18 <gee_man> yeah, i should probably get some supplements
16:37 <Mattt> Heh. My salt grinder (cheap, plastic Coles crap) lost its shit into my pan of eggplant and asparagus last night :-(
16:44 <Mattt> Nah, not needed.
16:58 <Mattt> Just eat meat again when your body asks for it :-)
17:00 <gee_man> maybe. i have a list of vegan supplements
17:09 <gee_man> it is rather conveniently timed for the election, isn't it
17:34 <gee_man> the gov will come to the rescue with the cure
17:41 <gee_man> right before the election
17:54 <gee_man> maybe. i have a list of vegan supplements
18:00 <Mattt> In fairness, that's too easy. Elections basically all the time (surprised, ;cause for a while there we kept getting new PMs without any formal elections / democracy / etc).
18:00 <Mattt> Uggh... How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb? Haha... ;'sif vegans will ever change anything :p
18:00 <gee_man> hahaha
18:26 <Mattt> But basically agree with your premise, fer sure.
18:30 <Mattt> Uggh... How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb? Haha... ;'sif vegans will ever change anything :p
18:38 <gee_man> hahaha
19:00 <gee_man> if the population reaches 10b we'll be eating bread made out of bugs, and meat will be a delicacy
19:00 <gee_man> but if all goes well, population will stabilise at around 8.5b
19:00 <Mattt> Still, pretty sure veggies and water (etc - I know I'm being less than thorough) are enough to live on, and probs well almost always :-)
19:21 <gee_man> if the population reaches 10b we'll be eating bread made out of bugs, and meat will be a delicacy
19:34 <gee_man> but if all goes well, population will stabilise at around 8.5b
19:34 <Mattt> Still, pretty sure veggies and water (etc - I know I'm being less than thorough) are enough to live on, and probs well almost always :-)
20:28 <Mattt> But it's all spin. It's all $$$. Heard what Annastacia's Pappy's doin' these days? Heh... And I used to perform for them, many many moons ago (by way of an aside, really).
21:00 <gee_man> the problem i have with supplements is every time i start taking them, but mental health starts to destabilise
21:00 <gee_man> but=my
21:00 <gee_man> jeez i'm tired
21:09 <gee_man> i don't follow all the political news, what's he doing?
21:15 <gee_man> the problem i have with supplements is every time i start taking them, but mental health starts to destabilise
21:23 <gee_man> on a committee for pfizer or something?
21:26 <gee_man> but=my
21:46 <Mattt> Owns (or major stake-hoder... whatevs) a bio test result data wharehouse (for want of a better and probs more accurate way of describing it).
21:51 <gee_man> jeez i'm tired
22:00 <Mattt> Hmmm. That could make some logical sense to me. Not fuelling your body / mind correctly. Look what happens when you do that with a fossil fuel engine...
22:00 <gee_man> i wish i could just sleep for 4 hours every day instead of this 12-16 hour crap
22:00 <Mattt> Oh my. I wish for the opposite (but likely not for real long).
22:15 <gee_man> heh
22:17 <Mattt> Hmmm. That could make some logical sense to me. Not fuelling your body / mind correctly. Look what happens when you do that with a fossil fuel engine...
22:20 <gee_man> doesn't surprise me
22:22 <Mattt> Basically, among a lot more, your covid test results go to Anna's Pa's organisation.
22:23 <gee_man> i wish i could just sleep for 4 hours every day instead of this 12-16 hour crap
22:47 <Mattt> Oh my. I wish for the opposite (but likely not for real long).
23:00 <Mattt> I can *just* hit four hours at a time. But I need to fuel my body / mind correctly for it :p
23:00 <Mattt> ...And even then, it's rare.
23:26 <Mattt> I can *just* hit four hours at a time. But I need to fuel my body / mind correctly for it :p
23:29 <gee_man> they could do a lot with those tests
23:41 <Mattt> ...And even then, it's rare.
23:43 <gee_man> dna could be extracted
24:00 <gee_man> i don't remember signing a consent form for that during my tests
24:00 <gee_man> yeah, people are often jealous, but when you consider that it's 50-70% of my life that i'm sleeping, it makes sense that i want the opposite
24:00 <Mattt> Yeah, can sure get that.
24:00 <Mattt> I like (need) to be at least xxx amount productive.
24:05 <gee_man> yeah, people are often jealous, but when you consider that it's 50-70% of my life that i'm sleeping, it makes sense that i want the opposite
24:19 <Mattt> Yeah, can sure get that.
24:38 <Mattt> I like (need) to be at least xxx amount productive.
24:42 <Mattt> What do you think's been happening with your test result data for last ~40 years? ;-)
25:00 <Mattt> Too much sleep would clearly not be conducive to that (until after I've prototyped and started releasing 72hr days, that is...).
25:04 * gee_man shrugs
25:07 <Mattt> ...And where do you think the "stats" in the media, etc, come from... if not historical test result data? ;-)
25:52 <Mattt> Too much sleep would clearly not be conducive to that (until after I've prototyped and started releasing 72hr days, that is...).
26:00 <gee_man> heh
26:00 <Mattt> See? There's the friggin' problem right there again.
26:11 <gee_man> meh
26:18 <gee_man> heh
26:33 <Mattt> See? There's the friggin' problem right there again.
27:00 <gee_man> jwst launch is soon, maybe we'll discover an exoplanet that has 72 hour days only a few light years away
27:00 <Mattt> We've been ripped off on salt grinders and day lengths.
27:22 <gee_man> jwst launch is soon, maybe we'll discover an exoplanet that has 72 hour days only a few light years away
27:39 <Mattt> We've been ripped off on salt grinders and day lengths.
28:00 <gee_man> so all the salt just dropped in your food?
28:00 <Mattt> All the salt that was in the grinder, yeah. Coulda been worse - like, imagine a soup or sauce? Was a tad saltier than even I like, but was okay (whew!) :-)
28:07 <gee_man> so all the salt just dropped in your food?
28:50 <Mattt> All the salt that was in the grinder, yeah. Coulda been worse - like, imagine a soup or sauce? Was a tad saltier than even I like, but was okay (whew!) :-)
29:00 <Mattt> I'd forgotten to plan dinner at all. So it was simple as.
29:00 <gee_man> i have a high heart rate and low blood pressure, so i'm supposed to add salt to my meals, but i never do
29:18 <gee_man> 5 days ago aus gov has self-testing pcr kits available
29:20 <Mattt> I'd forgotten to plan dinner at all. So it was simple as.
29:28 <gee_man> but you have to have symptoms
29:54 <gee_man> i have a high heart rate and low blood pressure, so i'm supposed to add salt to my meals, but i never do
29:56 <Mattt> Lool. Tools.
30:00 <Mattt> Not the first time it's happened, but first time in at least five-ish years. Time to look into (decent, which are hard to find) battery ones. And a neighbour is sure he has some timber ones (so the mech will likely be metal - no plastic ;-)) he'll give me for backups.
30:02 <Mattt> Lol*
30:50 <Mattt> Not the first time it's happened, but first time in at least five-ish years. Time to look into (decent, which are hard to find) battery ones. And a neighbour is sure he has some timber ones (so the mech will likely be metal - no plastic ;-)) he'll give me for backups.
31:00 <gee_man> although that was a while back when a doc told me to add salt
31:00 <gee_man> although that was a while back when a doc told me to add salt
31:00 <Mattt> I try to add salt 'cause of night cramps.
31:00 <Mattt> My understanding is that... fuck... something in salt (old guy's memory) might be lacking.
31:22 <Mattt> I try to add salt 'cause of night cramps.
31:26 <gee_man> sorry, rapid antigen test kits are available, but they're not conclusive, and another pcr test at a clinic is required if positive
31:53 <Mattt> My understanding is that... fuck... something in salt (old guy's memory) might be lacking.
32:00 <Mattt> I like it as much as the next human (salt and fat are really our main two flavours), but am as careful as I can reasonably be with *anything* in my diet.
32:33 <Mattt> Hmmm. Unsurprisingly, rather convoluted...
32:49 <Mattt> I like it as much as the next human (salt and fat are really our main two flavours), but am as careful as I can reasonably be with *anything* in my diet.
33:00 <Mattt> Magnesium :-)
33:00 <gee_man> i'm supposed to have more magnesium
33:00 <Mattt> And maybe iron? For cramps? Or I'm just confused or some such.
33:22 <Mattt> Magnesium :-)
33:43 <gee_man> i'm supposed to have more magnesium
33:48 <Mattt> And maybe iron? For cramps? Or I'm just confused or some such.
34:00 <gee_man> i've got the supplements, but they're probably expired
34:00 <Mattt> Anyhoos, salt's bestest for either of those, I guess :-)
34:00 <Mattt> Screw supplements. They mean you're doin' it wrong.
34:00 <Mattt> Supplements instead of (say...) potatoes or carrots?
34:06 <gee_man> i've got the supplements, but they're probably expired
34:17 <Mattt> Anyhoos, salt's bestest for either of those, I guess :-)
34:32 <Mattt> Screw supplements. They mean you're doin' it wrong.
34:50 <Mattt> Supplements instead of (say...) potatoes or carrots?
35:00 <gee_man> i have plenty of veggies
35:00 <gee_man> that's mostly my diet at the moment
35:00 <Mattt> Scientifically, it sorta makes sense. But we (as humans) don't make sense.
35:00 <Mattt> Is your body crying out for anything?
35:21 <gee_man> i have plenty of veggies
35:29 <gee_man> that's mostly my diet at the moment
35:32 <Mattt> Scientifically, it sorta makes sense. But we (as humans) don't make sense.
35:43 <gee_man> it's not clear where i order them from
35:50 <Mattt> Is your body crying out for anything?
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36:00 <Mattt> It'll do that a lot, when it needs to :-)
36:00 <gee_man> not really
36:00 <gee_man> i mean i only craved steak when you mentioned red wine
36:00 <Mattt> Then you must be "outta tune". 
36:00 <Mattt> Yeah, that's a relationship, I guess.
36:02 <Mattt> It'll do that a lot, when it needs to :-)
36:09 <gee_man> not really
36:16 <gee_man> i mean i only craved steak when you mentioned red wine
36:25 <Mattt> Then you must be "outta tune".
36:37 <Mattt> Yeah, that's a relationship, I guess.
37:00 <Mattt> Although. A glass or two of red and a very decent bit o' red meat. And one or two (only) classy veg. Might fix you for up to a week ;-)
37:00 <gee_man> with schizophrenia, determining what my body craves is difficult
37:00 <Mattt> I feel *way* better for up to 48hrs after I eat decent salmon.
37:20 <Mattt> Although. A glass or two of red and a very decent bit o' red meat. And one or two (only) classy veg. Might fix you for up to a week ;-)
37:42 <gee_man> with schizophrenia, determining what my body craves is difficult
37:53 <Mattt> I feel *way* better for up to 48hrs after I eat decent salmon.
38:00 <Mattt> I don't even like seafood.
38:00 <gee_man> i tried to avoid seafood because of overfishing
38:10 <Mattt> I don't even like seafood.
38:24 <gee_man> i tried to avoid seafood because of overfishing
39:00 <gee_man> i wouldn't mind eating farmed salmon that was inland
39:00 <Mattt> There is that, but cows probably aren't fond of getting shot in the head a bolt...
39:00 <Mattt> with* a bolt
39:03 <gee_man> i wouldn't mind eating farmed salmon that was inland
39:05 <Mattt> There is that, but cows probably aren't fond of getting shot in the head a bolt...
39:20 <Mattt> with* a bolt
40:59 <gee_man> i've seen videos of cows being friendly with humans. i think i was eating beef at the time, and it didn't phase me
41:00 <gee_man> i've seen videos of cows being friendly with humans. i think i was eating beef at the time, and it didn't phase me
41:00 <Mattt> For clarity, when I was... guessing between four and six years old... my step father took me to the abattoir he worked at. Got to see cows (mostly) in all stages of... becoming dinner...
41:00 <Mattt> It never left me. But neither did voraciously eating meat :-)
41:01 <Mattt> For clarity, when I was... guessing between four and six years old... my step father took me to the abattoir he worked at. Got to see cows (mostly) in all stages of... becoming dinner...
41:30 <Mattt> It never left me. But neither did voraciously eating meat :-)
42:00 <Mattt> Yeah, when you put it like that I wanna kill me instead of the next cow. Thanks :p
42:00 <Mattt> Lol
42:00 <gee_man> it looks like alcohol will be banned in less than 20 years
42:00 <gee_man> i wouldn't be surprised if they ban caffeine, too
42:14 <Mattt> Yeah, when you put it like that I wanna kill me instead of the next cow. Thanks :p
42:25 <Mattt> Lol
42:26 <gee_man> it looks like alcohol will be banned in less than 20 years
42:57 <gee_man> i wouldn't be surprised if they ban caffeine, too
43:00 <Mattt> Haha. As soon as decision makers stop liking drinkin' piss ;-)
43:00 <Mattt> Haha. As soon as decision makers stop liking drinkin' piss ;-)
43:00 <gee_man> claiming health reasons
43:00 <Mattt> Yeah. Health reasons are why my goct wants to track me with my phone. Right?
43:00 <gee_man> which will happen.. robots don't get drunk
43:00 <Mattt> govt*
43:02 <gee_man> claiming health reasons
43:31 <gee_man> which will happen.. robots don't get drunk
43:31 <Mattt> Yeah. Health reasons are why my goct wants to track me with my phone. Right?
43:38 <Mattt> govt*
44:00 <gee_man> security reasons
44:00 <Mattt> Like I said, when those same folk stop drinking piss or caffeine, *and* it's for some reason profitable for them... we might have those banned.
44:00 <Mattt> They said helth.
44:00 <Mattt> health*
44:00 <gee_man> well, yeah, that too
44:15 <gee_man> security reasons
44:24 <Mattt> Like I said, when those same folk stop drinking piss or caffeine, *and* it's for some reason profitable for them... we might have those banned.
44:37 <Mattt> They said helth.
44:41 <Mattt> health*
44:58 <gee_man> well, yeah, that too
45:00 <Mattt> Although the most memorable time they even used it was to grab a bad guy in Gympie who'd snatched a cop's gun.
45:00 <gee_man> there's gotta be a benefit or incentive
45:00 <Mattt> They've never actually helped the flu situation with that app.
45:21 <Mattt> Although the most memorable time they even used it was to grab a bad guy in Gympie who'd snatched a cop's gun.
45:22 <gee_man> there's gotta be a benefit or incentive
45:48 <Mattt> They've never actually helped the flu situation with that app.
46:00 <gee_man> yeah i know, it's funny
46:00 <Mattt> Nope. Fucking tragic.
46:00 <gee_man> i think it's hilarious
46:00 <Mattt> Although I get where you're comin' from. Same.
46:01 <gee_man> yeah i know, it's funny
46:11 <Mattt> Nope. Fucking tragic.
46:20 <gee_man> i think it's hilarious
46:25 <Mattt> Although I get where you're comin' from. Same.
47:00 <Mattt> My phone is secure, so the thing doesn't even work properly on my device because it's consisten;y flagged for a rediculous amount of flaws.
47:00 <gee_man> it's lower departments in the gov tryna get access to what the higher ups have
47:13 <Mattt> My phone is secure, so the thing doesn't even work properly on my device because it's consisten;y flagged for a rediculous amount of flaws.
47:14 <gee_man> it's lower departments in the gov tryna get access to what the higher ups have
48:00 <gee_man> plus some gov depts don't even have access to what the corporations have
48:00 <Mattt> Haha. ANd it' mandatory in Ubers, right? Even at night. But (on Android, at least) becuase it accessed the camera, can't use the lamp. So. Tots fail.
48:00 <Mattt> I'm talking about the govt app ;-)
48:03 <gee_man> plus some gov depts don't even have access to what the corporations have
48:19 <Mattt> Haha. ANd it' mandatory in Ubers, right? Even at night. But (on Android, at least) becuase it accessed the camera, can't use the lamp. So. Tots fail.
48:37 <Mattt> I'm talking about the govt app ;-)
49:00 <gee_man> most people of whom have two phones do so because of similar reasons
49:00 <Mattt> Oops with the 2nd post above. Too many screwups to go back and fix though :p
49:28 <gee_man> most people of whom have two phones do so because of similar reasons
49:36 <Mattt> Oops with the 2nd post above. Too many screwups to go back and fix though :p
50:00 <Mattt> I don't much like having one phone (yeah... odd, 'cause super geek and stuffs).
50:03 <Mattt> I don't much like having one phone (yeah... odd, 'cause super geek and stuffs).
50:12 <gee_man> "local pharmacy"
51:00 <Mattt> I did try to fudge the covid tracing app thingie at first. ANd was handed the biro the unmasked, fairly untidy old guy before me just used. I fixed the app on my device pretty smartly after that :p
51:42 <Mattt> I did try to fudge the covid tracing app thingie at first. ANd was handed the biro the unmasked, fairly untidy old guy before me just used. I fixed the app on my device pretty smartly after that :p
52:00 <gee_man> heh, yeah
52:39 <gee_man> heh, yeah
53:00 <gee_man> drug dealing just got more obvious because of similar reasons
53:00 <gee_man> then there's the lack of plastic electrolytes in batteries
53:00 <gee_man> gov't likes to have a hand grenade near us at all times
53:10 <gee_man> drug dealing just got more obvious because of similar reasons
53:38 <gee_man> then there's the lack of plastic electrolytes in batteries
53:59 <gee_man> gov't likes to have a hand grenade near us at all times
54:01 <gee_man> it took me 15 minutes just to find i can't order them online
55:00 <Mattt> Lol... Yup - that comms app thingie they recently pulled off globally was a total classic :-)
55:21 <Mattt> Lol... Yup - that comms app thingie they recently pulled off globally was a total classic :-)
56:00 <Mattt> Govt (like pretty much (but not tots) everyone else is just following the $$$.,
56:00 <gee_man> dunno if the dude who got the blame for it really knew anything about it, the gov't could've just said that
56:33 <Mattt> Govt (like pretty much (but not tots) everyone else is just following the $$$.,
56:45 <gee_man> dunno if the dude who got the blame for it really knew anything about it, the gov't could've just said that
57:00 <gee_man> pretending they don't already have access to all phones already
57:00 <Mattt> He built it, then surrendered his services for clemency.
57:11 <gee_man> pretending they don't already have access to all phones already
57:27 <Mattt> He built it, then surrendered his services for clemency.
58:00 <Mattt> They don't. As such. The US FBI has worked extensively with Apple, but really it's down to *us*. With that said, when you go buy the latest Galaxy, you get what you're given (and all of the back-end deals that went into building what you're now using).
58:04 <Mattt> Heh
58:41 <Mattt> They don't. As such. The US FBI has worked extensively with Apple, but really it's down to *us*. With that said, when you go buy the latest Galaxy, you get what you're given (and all of the back-end deals that went into building what you're now using).
59:00 <gee_man> the fbi isn't the nsa
59:00 <gee_man> fbi is just a lower dept
59:00 <Mattt> The very first thing I do with a new phone (and I have those *very* rarely - years apart) is strip it's OS / software and put choices back.
59:11 <gee_man> the fbi isn't the nsa
59:18 <gee_man> fbi is just a lower dept
59:40 <Mattt> The very first thing I do with a new phone (and I have those *very* rarely - years apart) is strip it's OS / software and put choices back.
00:00 <Mattt> True, probs, but I think I was just vaguely remember that TLA being involved in the Apple shit.
00:00 <Mattt> Would, on reflection, much more likely have been the CIA.
00:16 <Mattt> True, probs, but I think I was just vaguely remember that TLA being involved in the Apple shit.
00:57 <Mattt> Would, on reflection, much more likely have been the CIA.
01:00 <Mattt> (haha... is Echelon still a thing?)
01:00 <gee_man> www.echelonwatch.org
01:00 <gee_man> and no, it isn't
01:00 <Mattt> Oh. Without following that, I get it.
01:00 <Mattt> Oh...?
01:29 <Mattt> (haha... is Echelon still a thing?)
01:40 <gee_man> www.echelonwatch.org
01:48 <gee_man> and no, it isn't
01:53 <Mattt> Oh. Without following that, I get it.
01:59 <Mattt> Oh...?
02:00 <gee_man> without getting into codenames, a newer version exists
02:00 <Mattt> We usedta think we were *soooo* groovy, saying shit like "nuclear bomb", etc, etc in miles-long sigs on our mails.
02:20 <gee_man> without getting into codenames, a newer version exists
02:43 <Mattt> We usedta think we were *soooo* groovy, saying shit like "nuclear bomb", etc, etc in miles-long sigs on our mails.
03:00 <Mattt> Oh. That makes a great deal more since than some sconds ago...
03:00 <gee_man> contextual recognition is the difference between nuking some food in a microwave and.. well, yeah, newer version is smarter
03:06 <Mattt> Oh. That makes a great deal more since than some sconds ago...
03:49 <gee_man> contextual recognition is the difference between nuking some food in a microwave and.. well, yeah, newer version is smarter
04:00 <Mattt> The site you referenced above seems to have been built by overzealous and less than experienced teenagers.
04:18 <Mattt> The site you referenced above seems to have been built by overzealous and less than experienced teenagers.
05:00 <gee_man> probably some julian assange types when they were young
05:00 <Mattt> Most of the time, nuking some grub in the Farraday cage is far from that. *still* today, most folk don't get that it's why their WiFi is shit at dinner time...
05:25 <gee_man> probably some julian assange types when they were young
05:52 <Mattt> Most of the time, nuking some grub in the Farraday cage is far from that. *still* today, most folk don't get that it's why their WiFi is shit at dinner time...
07:00 <Mattt> Too easy / cheap to under-engineer the chassis.
07:00 <gee_man> i think from memory it's 2400hZ
07:00 <gee_man> that microwave resonate on
07:00 <Mattt> Indeed. Like (earlier, but still widely used) WiFi.
07:27 <Mattt> Too easy / cheap to under-engineer the chassis.
07:28 <gee_man> i think from memory it's 2400hZ
07:43 <gee_man> that microwave resonate on
07:49 <Mattt> Indeed. Like (earlier, but still widely used) WiFi.
08:00 <gee_man> yeah, you can just change the frequency in modem settings
08:15 <gee_man> yeah, you can just change the frequency in modem settings
09:00 <Mattt> Water is "on" approximately the same wave length. Back in the day when WiFi was shiny and new, and I was some samrtass on the "forefront" of it in AU, I'd regularly see big problems with pools and "foresty" settings during site surveys.
09:00 <gee_man> i don't know much about that
09:00 <Mattt> Not by much, if you're "stuck" to 2.4g (and it's way better at distance / penetration, still, than 5g etc is).
09:07 <Mattt> Water is "on" approximately the same wave length. Back in the day when WiFi was shiny and new, and I was some samrtass on the "forefront" of it in AU, I'd regularly see big problems with pools and "foresty" settings during site surveys.
09:52 <gee_man> i don't know much about that
09:55 <Mattt> Not by much, if you're "stuck" to 2.4g (and it's way better at distance / penetration, still, than 5g etc is).
10:00 <Mattt> We don't really gotta worry much about it all these days (ordinarily) :-)
10:56 <Mattt> We don't really gotta worry much about it all these days (ordinarily) :-)
11:00 <Mattt> It "just works", most of the time.
11:00 <gee_man> there's supposed to be a frequency that the earth resonates on
11:00 <gee_man> and wthiout it humans get sick
11:00 <Mattt> I tend to push shit further a lot, so I sometimes gotta play with stuffs to make it work my way... 
11:12 <Mattt> It "just works", most of the time.
11:14 <gee_man> there's supposed to be a frequency that the earth resonates on
11:27 <gee_man> and wthiout it humans get sick
11:43 <Mattt> I tend to push shit further a lot, so I sometimes gotta play with stuffs to make it work my way...
12:00 <Mattt> Yeah, but a lot of things could upset us like that.
12:00 <Mattt> Shake a youngster.
12:00 <Mattt> (don't)
12:00 <gee_man> i should probably get back to failing to code
12:07 <Mattt> Yeah, but a lot of things could upset us like that.
12:16 <Mattt> Shake a youngster.
12:21 <Mattt> (don't)
12:52 <gee_man> i should probably get back to failing to code
13:00 <gee_man> i'll bbl
13:00 <gee_man> ttyl
13:00 <Mattt> See? There's your body (or mind, this time... but close enough) yearning for sumthin' ;-)
13:09 <gee_man> i'll bbl
13:13 <gee_man> ttyl
13:28 <Mattt> See? There's your body (or mind, this time... but close enough) yearning for sumthin' ;-)
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16:00 <Mattt> Our "system" is really, really very awesome. But we're idiots, so we go out of our way to not do what we should.
16:08 <Mattt> Our "system" is really, really very awesome. But we're idiots, so we go out of our way to not do what we should.
20:00 <gee_man> sometimes it's unintentional, i guess
20:06 <gee_man> sometimes it's unintentional, i guess
21:00 <Mattt> I think there's a heelova bunch of different wiring in there...
21:00 <Mattt> I think there's a heelova bunch of different wiring in there...
21:00 <Mattt> hellova*. Misspelt a word I had to invent first. That's talent.
21:33 <Mattt> hellova*. Misspelt a word I had to invent first. That's talent.
22:00 <Mattt> hellofa*, really
22:00 <Mattt> Meh
22:03 <Mattt> hellofa*, really
22:15 <Mattt> Meh
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54:00 <borked> afternoon 
54:22 <borked> afternoon
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37:00 <gee_man> and then he said "it wasn't funny" oh hi ^bozojim
37:23 <gee_man> and then he said "it wasn't funny" oh hi ^bozojim
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48:13 <gee_man> and then i said "put the iguana back, or the candle will..." oh hi ^bozojim
48:38 <gee_man> i'm terrible at this joke
48:59 <gee_man> i think i'll leave it to the professionals, namely Snoopys_Gunship
49:08 <^bozojim> a word for the wise it is not funny
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50:15 <borked> yo!
50:27 <gee_man> hi borked
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54:36 <gee_man> ey demob
54:41 <^bozojim> hello demob
54:51 <demob> hi gee, hi jim
58:00 <doggyrat> hello Bonny 
58:00 <doggyrat> hello ^bozojim 
58:00 <doggyrat> hello
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58:44 <doggyrat> hello Bonny
58:51 <doggyrat> hello ^bozojim
58:55 <doggyrat> hello
01:00 <gee_man> ey doggyrat
01:45 <gee_man> ey doggyrat
02:00 <doggyrat> hello gee_man 
02:19 <doggyrat> hello gee_man
03:00 <^bozojim> hello doggyrat
03:42 <^bozojim> hello doggyrat
04:46 <doggyrat> folks do not forget to light up the fourth candle and that will light up the rest of the house
08:41 <borked> hey gee_man, ^bozojim, demob
08:57 <demob> hi
09:34 <gee_man> what's cracking today? anyone do anything interesting?
10:09 <gee_man> had a bit of a ferocious storm here a few hours ago, even though it's like 25 degrees
10:19 <borked> shiteload of yard work
11:27 <gee_man> i should probably get a bit of cardio in, brb
12:06 <borked> fair call
13:40 <gee_man> really got the heart rate up
14:28 <doggyrat> ^bozojim: do you do anything special for Christmas
14:43 <^bozojim> hi borked
17:48 <^bozojim> no I am not
20:03 <doggyrat> unfortunately we are invited from one of my wife's sisters, that will be boring
22:35 <doggyrat> if i am lucky i could go to the makerspace today, and may be do some laser cut or 3D printing
23:27 <^bozojim> ok
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24:00 <gee_man> [20:48:13] and then i said "put the iguana back, or the candle will..." oh hi ^bozojim
24:00 <gee_man> [20:48:38] i'm terrible at this joke
24:00 <gee_man> [20:48:59] i think i'll leave it to the professionals, namely Snoopys_Gunship
24:00 <^bozojim> [20:49:08] a word for the wise it is not funny
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24:00 <borked> [20:50:15] yo! 
24:00 <gee_man> [20:50:27] hi borked
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24:00 <gee_man> [20:54:35] ey demob
24:00 <^bozojim> [20:54:41] hello demob
24:00 <demob> [20:54:51] hi gee, hi jim
24:00 <borked> [21:08:40] hey gee_man, ^bozojim, demob 
24:00 <demob> [21:08:56] hi
24:00 <gee_man> [21:09:34] what's cracking today? anyone do anything interesting?
24:00 <gee_man> [21:10:09] had a bit of a ferocious storm here a few hours ago, even though it's like 25 degrees
24:00 <borked> [21:10:19] shiteload of yard work
24:00 <gee_man> [21:11:26] i should probably get a bit of cardio in, brb
24:00 <borked> [21:12:06] fair call
24:00 <gee_man> [21:13:40] really got the heart rate up
24:00 <^bozojim> [21:14:42] hi borked
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25:00 <borked> How's it ^bozojim ?
25:00 <borked> gee_man , define up?
25:39 <borked> How's it ^bozojim ?
25:49 <borked> gee_man , define up?
26:00 <^bozojim> I am ok
26:00 <gee_man> did stepups for 60 seconds
26:34 <^bozojim> I am ok
26:50 <gee_man> did stepups for 60 seconds
27:00 <gee_man> heart rate was probably about 120+
27:15 <gee_man> heart rate was probably about 120+
35:00 <borked> noice
35:30 <borked> noice
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23:00 <^bozojim> hi Fi
23:00 <Fi> hello bozo
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23:42 <^bozojim> hi Fi
23:51 <Fi> hello bozo
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57:00 <gee_man> i think i've got covid
57:00 <gee_man> almost completely lost my sense of smell
57:00 <gee_man> sore throat that comes and goes
57:11 <gee_man> i think i've got covid
57:22 <gee_man> almost completely lost my sense of smell
57:38 <gee_man> sore throat that comes and goes
58:00 <gee_man> dunno tho, i've been paranoid before and got tested twice, and it came back negative
58:28 <gee_man> dunno tho, i've been paranoid before and got tested twice, and it came back negative
59:00 <gee_man> might be why i'm so lethargic
59:05 <gee_man> might be why i'm so lethargic
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13:00 <gee_man> might also be because of cigarettes last week
13:55 <gee_man> might also be because of cigarettes last week
22:00 <borked> buy a rapid antigen test kit from the chemist and see what it says 
22:21 <borked> buy a rapid antigen test kit from the chemist and see what it says
24:00 <gee_man> yeah, gotta wait 'til monday tho
24:11 <gee_man> yeah, gotta wait 'til monday tho
33:00 <gee_man> is there a streaming service for old people
33:00 <gee_man> like 80s and 90s movies
33:32 <gee_man> is there a streaming service for old people
33:43 <gee_man> like 80s and 90s movies
39:00 <gee_man> got my sense of smell back a bit now
39:45 <gee_man> got my sense of smell back a bit now
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45:00 <gee_man> i don't get it, i've got peace and quiet now, and i still can't concentrate
45:49 <gee_man> i don't get it, i've got peace and quiet now, and i still can't concentrate
46:00 <gee_man> also might be running a fever, got the aircon pumped to max and feel hot
46:20 <gee_man> also might be running a fever, got the aircon pumped to max and feel hot
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