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07:29:00 <alienatedRomeo> :)
07:30:00 <alienatedRomeo> mmm sleep
07:30:00 <alienatedRomeo> hi Bonny
07:30:00 <alienatedRomeo> :)P
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07:31:00 <alienatedRomeo> i can hardly see
07:31:00 <alienatedRomeo> :::)
07:31:00 <alienatedRomeo> _-__
07:31:00 <alienatedRomeo> i can hardly see Bonny
07:31:00 <alienatedRomeo> mmm sleep
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08:01:00 <Happy> lotta shit, not much chat
08:14:00 <Bonny> hi demob
08:14:00 <demob> morning Bonny!
08:14:00 <Bonny> how are you?
08:16:00 <demob> im good thanks. how are you?
08:18:00 <Bonny> I'm great thanks
08:22:00 <demob> good
08:51:00 <electrohead> hugs*
09:10:00 <demob> hi electro
09:46:00 <electrohead> hey mate
09:56:00 <demob> might watch a romantic comedy. like hostel
10:23:00 <demob> but its me whos bleeding now, argh
10:23:00 <demob> idiota. my face got in the fan blade
10:31:00 <demob> ill tell the cops Bonny hit me
10:31:00 <demob> brb
10:33:00 <demob> the cage for this fan was annoying me and kept coming off so i took it all off. then a few days later a laptop caused a blade to get chips in it so if it makes contact with skin it draws blood
10:34:00 <demob> and my face just made contact, ouch
10:34:00 <demob> and it looks worse on me because im on anticoags so theres about 20 bloodied tissues
13:10:45 Topic Is: Welcome to #Australia Land downunder.. While you're here grab a drink in #WateringHole
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13:10:45 <Bonny> hi demob
13:10:45 <demob> morning Bonny!
13:10:45 <Bonny> how are you?
13:10:45 <demob> im good thanks. how are you?
13:10:45 <Bonny> I'm great thanks
13:10:45 <demob> good
14:03:00 <gee_man> my brain is rotting, i can't even write a simple recursive function
14:04:00 <Mattt> Lol
14:04:00 <Mattt> I hear ya
14:04:00 <Mattt> Always strip everything back.
14:04:00 <gee_man> i'm considering taking up coffee
14:05:00 <Mattt> It's *way* too easy to create a complicated method.
14:05:00 <Mattt> Tea. Then you have black (a little caffeine), or p'mint.
14:05:00 <Mattt> P'mint is basically "free" on the "what does it cost my body" scale.
14:06:00 <gee_man> nah i'll pass on both
14:06:00 <gee_man> coffee + programming go togethher
14:06:00 <Mattt> Nope. Seriously. I'm a tragic alco and I'm telling you (even if that's not one of your dilemnas) tea is... good. Very good.
14:08:00 <gee_man> ok, i'll take your word for it, but i'm not drinking any caffeine, i've just decided
14:08:00 <gee_man> just water
14:08:00 <Mattt> I'm not a "drunk" or whatev er. Just that alcohol featured a great deal during my childhood, and at some point it hooked me too. Trauma, perhps? Whatevs :-)
14:08:00 <Mattt> Oh hells yeah - I drink enough water every day to kill an elephant :p
14:09:00 <Mattt> Sooo... p'mint tea for you. You can add a sugar, or not.
14:10:00 <Mattt> P'mint tea (as it turns out) is really a rather nice and worthwhile drop :-)
14:10:00 <gee_man> i'll pass
14:10:00 <gee_man> thanks tho
14:11:00 <gee_man> so, strip it back you reckon
14:11:00 <gee_man> start over
14:12:00 <gee_man> i'm not even sure i need a recursive function
14:15:00 <Mattt> *always* strip it back.
14:16:00 <Mattt> Only ever do what needs to be done. If you fuck with more, you'll get the proverbial horns.
14:16:00 <gee_man> ok
14:16:00 <Mattt> If you're super OO, it'll be simples.
14:17:00 <Mattt> But even if tots procedural, theres always a (close to, at least) optimal way ;-)
14:17:00 <Mattt> an*
14:18:00 <gee_man> ok, so i can cycle through 1 character fine
14:18:00 <Mattt> Oh... yeah... often, recursive functions happen because of a design mistake :p
14:18:00 <gee_man> but then when it comes to adding the next character, i fail
14:19:00 <Mattt> ...But there's always lots of design mistakes. Hence me not just going for that first.
14:19:00 <gee_man> maybe it's not recursive functions i need, but permutations
14:19:00 <gee_man> i need substring
14:19:00 <Mattt> You're not traversing the string correctly (I'm assuming that's what you're doing).
14:20:00 <Mattt> ...or, not handling exceptions.
14:20:00 <gee_man> making a bruteforcer
14:20:00 <Mattt> Ahh. Tying to break into one of your crypto wallet thingies?
14:21:00 <gee_man> yep
14:21:00 <gee_man> and hoping the password i chose is less than 8 chars
14:21:00 <Mattt> Fun. I've never done that.
14:21:00 <Mattt> It'd fucking better not be, ese you should shoot yourself.
14:21:00 <Mattt> else*, too
14:21:00 <gee_man> it's only $50aud
14:22:00 <gee_man> not worth shooting over
14:22:00 <Mattt> Meh. Semantics.
14:23:00 <gee_man> problem is, when i chose the password, it was around the time i read the xkcd comic about long passwords
14:23:00 <gee_man> not sure if it was before or after
14:24:00 <gee_man> i want it to be able to continue from where it left off, too
14:24:00 <gee_man> so i'll need to write to a file
14:24:00 <gee_man> but for now, i just want it to cycle through console log all the permutations
14:36:00 <gee_man> 20 hours of sleep can't be good
14:47:00 <gee_man> i still haven't fully woken up
14:50:00 <Mattt> What is "20 hours of sleep"?
14:50:00 <gee_man> slept from about 10pm last night thru to 2pm today
14:51:00 <gee_man> i woke up occasionally, but went back to sleep
14:51:00 <gee_man> i suppose that's 16 hours not 20
14:53:00 <gee_man> the worst thing about sleeping for that long is one's eyes are difficult to open
14:54:00 <gee_man> eyelids practically glued shut
14:59:00 <gee_man> brb in <30min
15:02:00 <Mattt> I did something similar with a USB thingie (Arduino of some type).
15:02:00 <Mattt> Just a rolling code thingie. Simples.
15:03:00 <gee_man> why the hell aren't self-test kits being given out for free in australia
15:04:00 <Mattt> $$$
15:04:00 <gee_man> who the hell is profiting from self-test kits not being given out for free
15:04:00 <gee_man> it'd save money
15:04:00 <Mattt> Same reason there was so much fuckin' around to get vaxs here in the first instance (Pfizer and AU govt both said so straight up).
15:04:00 <gee_man> especially when we're headed for 25,000 new cases a day soon
15:05:00 <Mattt> Uhuh. Agreed.
15:05:00 <Mattt> Thankfully, I accidently made myself a loner / hermit for the foreseeable future. But bugger being anyone else in this crap storm :-/
15:06:00 <gee_man> i don't have that luxury
15:07:00 <Mattt> Yeah, understood. I'm defs an edge case in that regard.
15:08:00 <Mattt> I think you're south of me. Not that I think it'll make much difference when all
15:08:00 <Mattt> 's said and done.
15:08:00 <gee_man> $50 for a pack of 5 self-test kits
15:08:00 <gee_man> no guarantee that it works for omicron
15:08:00 <Mattt> Presently (until today, perhaps) Qld has been pretty groovy with it all (as such).
15:09:00 <Mattt> Yeah, seems no guarantees about anything to do with this stuff.
15:09:00 <Mattt> All of the most vax'ed folk are now the most infected (meh... if you read the media like it was a / the story).
15:10:00 <Mattt> Science'll figure it out in due course :-) It might hurry tf up though :-)
15:11:00 <Mattt> might want to* hurry...
15:11:00 <gee_man> hurry tf up is right
15:11:00 <Mattt> Uhuh
15:11:00 <Mattt> It's been too long already, but I guess that's more of the aforely-mentioned govt / $$$ issues at play.
15:12:00 <Mattt> UQ had a vax before the rest of the world. But they weren't right for the spot, politically or fiscally.
15:13:00 <Mattt> Luckily, the US govt has some stake in Pfizer, so we were all able to saved just in time (presumaby, for the next run of elections).
15:13:00 <Mattt> to be* saved...,
15:14:00 <Mattt> Of course, Pfizer (et al) are now hopeless against the new thread anyways. But pretty sure all with investments have made their dough now, so whatevs.
15:15:00 <Mattt> Now the govt can no longer ban us from dancing, I doubt their interest levels will remain high.
15:16:00 <Mattt> (sure, they can ban us from dancing again... but they'll be less than popular and that's not how you do business)
15:17:00 <gee_man> it is rather conveniently timed for the election, isn't it
15:17:00 <gee_man> the gov will come to the rescue with the cure
15:17:00 <gee_man> right before the election
15:18:00 <Mattt> In fairness, that's too easy. Elections basically all the time (surprised, ;cause for a while there we kept getting new PMs without any formal elections / democracy / etc).
15:18:00 <Mattt> But basically agree with your premise, fer sure.
15:20:00 <Mattt> But it's all spin. It's all $$$. Heard what Annastacia's Pappy's doin' these days? Heh... And I used to perform for them, many many moons ago (by way of an aside, really).
15:21:00 <gee_man> i don't follow all the political news, what's he doing?
15:21:00 <gee_man> on a committee for pfizer or something?
15:21:00 <Mattt> Owns (or major stake-hoder... whatevs) a bio test result data wharehouse (for want of a better and probs more accurate way of describing it).
15:22:00 <gee_man> heh
15:22:00 <gee_man> doesn't surprise me
15:22:00 <Mattt> Basically, among a lot more, your covid test results go to Anna's Pa's organisation.
15:23:00 <gee_man> they could do a lot with those tests
15:23:00 <gee_man> dna could be extracted
15:24:00 <gee_man> i don't remember signing a consent form for that during my tests
15:24:00 <Mattt> What do you think's been happening with your test result data for last ~40 years? ;-)
15:25:00 <Mattt> ...And where do you think the "stats" in the media, etc, come from... if not historical test result data? ;-)
15:26:00 <gee_man> meh
15:29:00 <gee_man> 5 days ago aus gov has self-testing pcr kits available
15:29:00 <gee_man> but you have to have symptoms
15:29:00 <Mattt> Lool. Tools.
15:30:00 <Mattt> Lol*
15:31:00 <gee_man> sorry, rapid antigen test kits are available, but they're not conclusive, and another pcr test at a clinic is required if positive
15:32:00 <Mattt> Hmmm. Unsurprisingly, rather convoluted...
15:35:00 <gee_man> it's not clear where i order them from
15:41:00 <gee_man> i've got 3 embedded loops and i think i need to start again
15:44:00 <gee_man> i remember doing something similar in java at uni
15:45:00 <gee_man> teacher said i'd "go far" after i solved it in less than 10 mins, where nobody else in the class finished it without looking at my code
15:50:00 <gee_man> "local pharmacy"
15:52:00 <gee_man> i can't concentrate, got a tv on in the background
15:53:00 <gee_man> dunno how people multitask like this
15:53:00 <gee_man> i could put myself into hyperfocus mode, but that means not responding to people around me
15:54:00 <gee_man> sometimes i get stuck until i solve it, which potentially could be hours
15:54:00 <gee_man> it took me 15 minutes just to find i can't order them online
15:58:00 <Mattt> Heh
17:56:00 <eddie> `voice TinTin
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21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:15:00] That's the problem.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:15:09] It either happens or it don't.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:15:20] i get what you mean
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:15:29] (yes, bad grammar - I was bein' all American and shit)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:16:13] american tv is the best tv around, i don't blame ya
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:16:46] The upside: you've something to do and apparently the requisite tools. Fuck man, shits all over being bored - having this shit in our heads but no canvas...
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:17:13] I *love* my tools.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:17:32] i can't visualise code unless i see it in front of me
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:17:35] wasn't always the case
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:17:42] nowadays it has to be
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:18:00] My 'putering ones are pretty awesome, and my main go-to's. But I like to play with all knidsa stuff :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:18:13] Yeah, I do get that... but...
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:19:11] Often, like with basically everything else, it kinda "gets into" you. You don't necessarily need to formatted code for the understanding... make an appropiate amount of sense?
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:19:21] the*
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:20:06] You only (I think / guess) need to know the "now" (the problem, usually) and the goal.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:20:53] Strip everything else away. The crust does not maketh the sandwich (I literally just invented that, so it sucks but I thin illustrates well enough).
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:20:56] i can visualise what the result is, but reverse engineering the result from my mind, and then translating that into javascript, it's a challenge
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:21:40] i think i'm getting somewhere with it in the last 30 mins
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:21:42] Lol. Translation to code? That's the *dead* easy bit.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:21:57] i don't know javascript
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:22:26] Haha. Who the fuck does? I feel like a newbie every time I need to fuck with the DOM :p
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:22:35] lol
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:23:04] Been "learning" (term used *super* loosely) React. Lol.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:23:12] For over a year.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:23:20] i just had a vision of neo from the matrix saying "i know javascript" instead of saying "i know kung fu"
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:23:25] C'mon. Really? Over a year. I still don't get it.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:23:53] Stop right there. If you let JS scare you, you're fucked.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:24:15] it doesn't scare me
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:24:18] i love kung fu
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:24:26] Just *do* it. That's my experience. It's just another language. It doesn't hurt.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:24:49] i'm learning on the fly, too many tabs open at the moment
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:24:52] But if plain JS frightens you, you're done in front end.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:25:38] not afraid, just annoyed with myself for not understanding the pseudocode i wrote for myself
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:26:11] Yeah, I love Kung Fu too. But am trained in traditional Karate and some Muay Thai. Yet, I now just want to learn Aikido because hurting people is never any fun.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:26:32] aikido's awesome
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:26:51] That doesn't make sense. How can you not understand your own psuedo?
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:27:00] That defies it's point.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:27:22] it's not good pseudocode because i haven't written any decent code in years
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:27:38] Still not making appropriate sense :p
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:27:49] i originally started writing the code straight away, skipping the pseudocode
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:28:01] then i wrote the pseudocode and it looked like the code i had already written
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:28:11] Psuedo is... exactly... an abstract *understanding*.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:29:42] I rarely do the pseudo thing. I like the abstraction code (I haven't run yet, 'cause crap) way - gives me something to build on once I'm ready.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:30:15] A cartoon on a napkin doesn't tend to get itself into my IDE so easily...
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:31:21] i used to be able to just dive straight into the code without mistakes
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:31:32] often for assignments i'd write the code first, then the pseudocode
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:31:57] If your code looks like your concepts, etc, it just means you're doing well and can usually (probably) skip a step :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:32:19] yeah, can't do that anymore
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:32:32] haven't been able to do that for years
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:32:50] i tried a couple years back, ended up making so many mistakes
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:32:57] and the code looks like crap
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:32:58] I did badly (heh) in school (I guess back in the 1600's) 'cause I skipped everything then did ridiculously well. Nobody liked me much.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:34:14] ah well, perception from others shouldn't mean much
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:34:40] That sentence didn't come out right. I basically meant my "records" do not reflect well because nobody could handle the way I managed stuff. Something like that :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:35:11] Ie: pseudo code is a complete waste of my time :p
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:35:25] Just... code :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:35:34] It's the Agile way ;-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:35:37] haha
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:35:53] agile is gonna be replaced by something eventually
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:36:09] I never even studied Agile Just accidently did it, because it's how I love to work.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:36:28] No, it won't. Maybe refined a tiny tad more. Or maybe not :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:36:44] who knows
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:37:01] ...or cares? Just be productive :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:37:21] there's the github tool
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:37:37] maybe that'll replace everything
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:37:42] replace all coders
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:37:53] Yeah, but can't self host it. I do GitLab as a result.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:38:01] My own instance on my server.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:38:41] Noooo. Coders are the future, the same way Ford production line guys / gals usedta be.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:38:43] i was considering doing that, but i don't understand git
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:38:52] Don't need to (as such).
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:39:07] it's on my to do list to learn
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:39:14] It's just another thang. Like learning (cringe...) how to use FB.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:39:26] Don't learn it. Just do it.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:39:54] Waste of time learning git. Learning git does not produce awesome code.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:39:57] github's copilot will replace most junior coders
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:40:05] Fuck off :p
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:40:15] not it's current version
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:40:25] it'll get better
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:40:28] Then fuck off in a year.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:40:33] lol
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:40:38] Yup. And still fuck off :p
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:41:04] We don't even have enough "standards" yet.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:41:20] So... no cookie-cutter just yet :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:41:20] gpt3 can alraedy do some pretty amazing stuff
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:41:54] cortana combined with github's copilot in about a decade is going to be interesting
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:42:08] Ugh... or terrifying...
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:42:51] you can replace the word 'interesting' with 'dangerous' in almost any context
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:43:21] But if it takes somebody(/s) nefarious to work this stuff out so we can later build it properly, then that's progress :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:43:32] Yeah, tots agreed.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:44:30] Look at the stuff we took from FB, Twitter (did someone say Bootstrap?), etc.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:46:09] Yes, BS is yesterday... and, today, BS (see what I did there?). But it served a great purpose. We're very close to a standard(-ish, with bright and dark variants, as it should be) UI ;-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:46:57] you sound like an engineer
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:47:15] You get out of your petrol hatchback and into your diesel ute. How different should the driving experience be?
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:47:34] Meh. Just a person who's gotta "eat his own dog food" a lot :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:48:12] i get what you mean about standards
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:49:17] I guess it comes more down to UI experience than "standards". Although I also guess they're the same thing when it comes down to it.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:50:00] if i get this code running, i might see about getting it running on google compute
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:50:28] problem is you're not allowed to mine for cryptocurrency or you'll be banned
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:50:30] My phone is Samsung (although Los, so not Samsung's version of me bein' their bitch). My laptop is Apple (with macOS). Otherwise, I'm an all GNU/Linux shop.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:50:38] but it'snot technically mining
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:50:52] I *really* need / loce a consistent interface :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:51:21] love*
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:51:53] Meh... I never rely on others. *Particularly* those as awful as G, etc.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:52:01] we're slowly moving toward circular screens
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:52:19] Yeah. And slef driving airframes.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:52:24] self*, also
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:52:33] Whatevs
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:52:53] I still have three 24" 1080s.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:53:25] They still seem to work fine, and I'm still as productive as ever :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:53:52] i'm considering downscaling to 1080p because my eyes aren't what they used to be
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:54:12] That does not make any real sense.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:54:26] i have 4k displays
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:54:40] Yup, and rarely any 4k content... for a start...
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:54:51] netflix does
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:55:10] So? When did you last avai yourself of that feature?
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:55:15] avail*
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:55:35] good point
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:55:41] :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:56:00] still, the real estate is good with 4k, lots of windows up at the same time
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:56:06] 1080 is fine. And my eyes are crap, so I think I have some kinda POV to throw in :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:57:15] My leftmost screen (which is actually, a 1080 TV) is dedicated to media. When I musid from it, I often throw the ausio stream to my "loungeroom" AVR.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:57:47] In short, I could hardly care less about anything over 1080.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:58:14] music*, audio*
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:58:37] i have 2 cheap 4k tvs, colour is crap, but i don't care
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:58:56] i set the left and right speakers to each tv
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:59:04] See? That's worse than a really low res.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [19:59:32] i wanted them for the real estate, not for 4k content
21:07:00 <Mattt> [19:59:47] Even 720 is pretty okay (for NCIS LA - maybe not so much NCIS itself... so shoot me :p).
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:00:15] But... 1080 is *always* fine. For me, at least :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:01:03] tokyo olympics was broadcast in 8k, and i swear i could tell the difference when it was broadcast and downscaled to 1080p
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:01:14] it just looks sharper
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:01:43] maybe it's all in my head tho
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:02:01] Oh yeah - I've no doubt that even 4k shits all over 1080.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:02:46] no i mean when it was downscaled and broadcast on aussie tv
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:03:03] But... how good do we need it Okay... I'm an audiophile (ex muso, etc). So if we were to transpose this chat to audio, my position 180's and... well.. all bets are off :p
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:03:06] flicking through channels, the image just looked sharper
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:03:49] Yeah, I'm not surprised. But think about Dolby. Sounds better by making it shitter first.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:04:19] (abstract, but basically about it)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:04:37] Interpolation ;-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:04:41] ah
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:05:09] i don't know much about audio hardware
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:05:30] Sure you do. It's just like the video stuff, only noisier :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:05:31] i messed around with pro tools about a decade ago, but got nowhere with it
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:05:33] (mostly)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:05:51] even bouhgt a rode mic and midi keyboard
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:06:20] eventually sold them all for cigarette money
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:06:35] Some of those aforely-mentioned "standards" are creeping in, so stuff's getting a *lot* better :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:07:26] I was (a lifetime ago, I guess) a "performing" musician.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:08:37] Sooo, I have a little exposure to that stuff. Although I'm the type that'd never support a thing like PT so I'm Ardour all the way ;-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:09:03] With that said, I don't music any more anyhoos.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:09:19] there are different tools for different jobs
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:09:30] pt isn't really mean for live music afaik
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:09:41] meant*
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:09:46] Indeed. Often. Sometimes, it seems that way but isn't exacty so.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:09:51] exactly*
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:10:30] Not sure, but Id never go there anyways. RT audio is a particularly fickle thing.
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:10:54] I've done it. It's... not at all easy :-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:11:12] i can imagine
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:11:47] a lot of expensive gear for rt
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:11:53] Post-prod is still not quite there. Maybe another five years? When we're actually flying about in our cars, I'd imagine...
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:12:23] Nah, just specialist. Not difficult.
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:12:48] flying cars? nah. we'll be carried around by drones, and all our stuff with accompanied drones
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:13:05] that is, if we're not in self-driving cars
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:13:18] but even then, probably 2028 before we get self-driving cars
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:14:55] Lol. Uhuh, all of that. But, more likely in closer to five years :-)
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:15:47] We'll literally grab the milk / bread in bigger versions of the DJIs we have today ;-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:17:12] drone sabotage will be a thing, missing deliveries
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:17:51] auspost is reliable now, but it won't always be
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:22:52] ah, that's better. set the zoom to be 150%, i can see properly now
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:27:05] Meh... just another hack. Drone takeovers... Car takeovers...
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:27:13] Airframe takeovers ;-)
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:27:16] toaster too
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:27:35] microwaves hit with ransomware
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:29:19] "make a donation to our cause every month, and we'll stop undercooking your food"
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:32:39] ey demob
21:07:00 <demob> [20:32:50] hi
21:07:00 <^bozojim> [20:35:22] hello demob
21:07:00 <demob> [20:35:31] hi jimbo
21:07:00 <demob> [20:35:36] hot here, hoping it rains
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:38:22] hey hey hey
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:38:42] ey Mikey
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:38:49] keeping well man?
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:40:20] not sleeping well, but otherwise, yeah
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:40:32] yeah same here brother, i know the feeling all too well
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:42:39] how's your friday?
21:07:00 <Mattt> [20:42:55] Ugh... I don't eve ncall it s="sleep" any more. Just my tossing / turing place / time...
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:42:56] yeah alright man and yourself?
21:07:00 <demob> [20:43:06] brap
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:43:07] pretty good
21:07:00 <gee_man> [20:43:14] just about to cook up some friday nite pizza
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:43:21] brap brap brap
21:07:00 <Mikey> [20:43:25] nice man!
21:07:00 <***> Playback Complete.
21:17:00 <Sunbeam> morning all :)
21:17:00 <^bozojim> hugss Sunbeam
21:17:00 <gee_man> ey Sunbeam
21:18:00 <Sunbeam> hiya ^bozojim hugggggs ltns :)
21:18:00 <Sunbeam> hi gee_man :)
21:18:00 <^bozojim> has been
21:18:00 <Sunbeam> yes how slack of me not to have popped in more :)
21:19:00 <^bozojim> I have been busy
21:19:00 <^bozojim> quilting
21:20:00 <Sunbeam> i've been and still am knitting
21:20:00 <^bozojim> nice
21:20:00 <^bozojim> I took the plunge and tried free mortion quilting last weekend
21:20:00 <^bozojim> and am good at it
21:22:00 <Sunbeam> not even sure what that is ^bozojim ...excuse my ignorance
21:22:00 <^bozojim> it is quilting on a sewing macjhine
21:22:00 <Sunbeam> ahhhh i see
21:22:00 <^bozojim> using different shapes you do
21:23:00 <^bozojim> by hand
21:23:00 <^bozojim> circles
21:23:00 <^bozojim> feathers
21:23:00 <^bozojim> geometric
21:23:00 <^bozojim> ect
21:24:00 <Sunbeam> sounds interesting, don't forgot to post your finished product for me to see :)
21:25:00 <^bozojim> I will post pics
21:47:00 <^bozojim> and did a mug rug to try it came out lovely
21:53:00 <gee_man> suddenly really tired
21:53:00 <gee_man> gonna go sleep
21:53:00 <gee_man> nite folks
22:05:00 <demob> massive thunder storm here right now
22:05:00 <demob> sadly, its a dry one
22:07:00 <Sunbeam> i love a good thunderstorm
22:08:00 <demob> me too
22:09:00 <^bozojim> I do as well
22:12:00 <Mattt> Likewise
22:12:00 <Mattt> Had a bit of a thing here, but it wound up nothing...
22:17:00 <Sunbeam> last thunder and lightning we had was a few weeks ago when it was really snowing hard
22:19:00 <^bozojim> woq
22:19:00 <^bozojim> wow
22:20:00 <^bozojim> I did not know you could get a thunderstorm when it was snowing
22:20:00 <Sunbeam> was early hours of the morning
22:20:00 <Sunbeam> one of my friends posted a video of it
22:20:00 <Mattt> I've never seen real snow :-(
22:21:00 <Sunbeam> i slept through it
22:22:00 <Mattt> Lol... Pretty sure I've never seen real sleep either, so this'd be a big event for me :p
22:24:00 <Sunbeam> insommniac?
22:24:00 <Mattt> Not so much, I don't thin...
22:25:00 <Mattt> think*
22:25:00 <Mattt> Just... everything else :-)
22:27:00 <Mattt> Tonight, it'll be the local dog that's been crying for over 24 hours. There's clearly something wrong there which needs to be addressed. But frankly Im more concerned about the puppy.
22:28:00 <Mattt> Whatever's troubling him/her is already done :-(
22:28:00 <Mattt> Sooo, that'll be my reason for failing to sufficiently sleep / rest tonight :-)
22:31:00 <Sunbeam> Is the puppy mistreated?
22:32:00 <Mattt> Lol. No idea. But it would not be that upset for no reason.
22:33:00 <Mattt> And it's been crying since at least before sunup today :-(
22:33:00 <Sunbeam> can you not report it to animal services? so they can check it out
22:34:00 <Mattt> I guess, but not even sure where it is. And I have trust issues :p So not sure the RSPCA (I guess who'd handle this) would do exactly the right thing :-)
22:35:00 <Mattt> It's just "one of those things", I suppose.
22:35:00 <Sunbeam> our RSPCA would check it out
22:36:00 <Mattt> I don't think this is a "badly treated dog". I've been here almost two years. Something is suddenly quite wrong for our furry friend, whoever the hell he is...
22:37:00 <Sunbeam> :(
22:37:00 <Mattt> If it (puppy crying, etc) continues tomorrow, I'll investigate further.
22:37:00 <Sunbeam> maybe he has seperation anxiety
22:38:00 <Mattt> Lots of better people (aka: puppies) have that. But Ive never heard this before today.
22:38:00 <Mattt> Not here.
22:39:00 <Sunbeam> I reckon my cat has that lol
22:39:00 <Mattt> Lol. All bets are off with feines :p
22:39:00 <Mattt> felines*
22:39:00 <Mattt> Ughh... I love to hate cats...
22:40:00 <Sunbeam> i like dogs....but love cats
22:40:00 <Mattt> Pointless fucking brats...
22:40:00 <Sunbeam> cats rool, dogs drool lol
22:40:00 <Mattt> But I love anything with a pulse. My big flaw, perhaps.
22:40:00 <Sunbeam> hehe
22:41:00 <Mattt> Ugh...
22:42:00 <Mattt> Cats do not "rool". Or do anything else. They're barely even cute.
22:43:00 <Mattt> And fucking disrespectful. I'd practically harm a child for that (not true, but trying to prove some kinda point :p)...
22:44:00 <Mattt> To be clear: there's no way I would ever hurt a child, but would tots dead anyone that even might.
22:45:00 <Mattt> Thing is, cat's are assholes :p
22:45:00 <Mattt> cats*
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