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00:10:04 <Timegrinder> thaty's not surprising since they hacven't started manufacturing yet
00:10:15 <Timegrinder> unless they started in the last motnh
00:10:17 <Timegrinder> well, two weeks
02:16:54 Topic Is: http://unrelated.net.au/pool.txt - defacto? more like defucto!
02:16:54 Set By: (Carson) on: Thu Aug 24 21:56:35 2006
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09:23:35 <Talesin> turns out i dont have a test today :)
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11:06:32 <Timegrinder> that makes two of us! yay!
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11:52:34 <ash_> hey
11:52:49 <ash_> nice :) we could have shmoked lots last night
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15:36:56 <stefan> hah, ninemsn servers overloaded Carson?
15:37:01 <Timegrinder> haha
15:37:03 <Timegrinder> can't blame then
15:37:05 <Timegrinder> *them
15:37:08 <stefan> multiple reports of not being able to get past the index page after the Brock repotrs
15:39:15 <JarZ_> oh i love google news
15:39:15 <JarZ_> Champs primed for Targa blast
15:39:15 <JarZ_> New Zealand Herald, New Zealand - 5 Sep 2006
15:39:15 <JarZ_> ... Australian Peter Brock and New Zealanders Jim Richards and California-based Steve Millen headline the entry list for the Dunlop-sponsored event. ...
15:39:22 <JarZ_> Peter Brock 'killed in crash'
15:39:23 <JarZ_> Stuff.co.nz, New Zealand - 9 minutes ago
15:39:23 <JarZ_> Motor racing champion Peter Brock has reportedly been killed in an accident in Western Australia. A car competing in the Targa West ...
15:39:23 <stefan> ??
15:39:29 <stefan> yeah
15:39:32 <JarZ_> an article saying he's about to compete...
15:39:37 <JarZ_> then his death
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15:58:57 <stefan> <womack> the cops just confirmed.. peter brock was run over by a stingray.
15:59:32 <JarZ_> LOL
16:02:07 <Timegrinder> ROFL
16:02:11 <Timegrinder> he hit a tree apparently
16:37:13 <ash_> lol
16:37:30 <ash_> the stingrays are taking over
16:38:03 <JarZ_> hey ash, ever read those articles? :P
16:38:04 <JarZ_> [11:40] <JarZ_> ash; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-71_Blackbird
16:38:04 <JarZ_> [11:41] <JarZ_> also
16:38:04 <JarZ_> [11:41] <JarZ_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
16:46:10 <ash_> i read it a lil bit on your phone
16:46:50 <ash_> it seems like an idea that was really far from being possible
16:48:54 <ash_> the size wasn't quite as massive as we were assuming though - it says the likely dimensions on there
16:50:03 <JarZ_> far from being possible? wtf? it's quite the opposite
16:54:54 <Timegrinder> I don't see how it's far from possible. The only issues I see would be in regards to taking off properly from earth
16:55:28 <Timegrinder> In the matter of getting that heavy an object into the atmosphere without bombaring massive amounts of radiation on the planet that is
16:55:35 <Timegrinder> *bombarding
16:56:22 <Timegrinder> It's a pretty cool idea, and fucking awesome that the calculated matter-antimatter blasts could bring the ship to 50% of lightspeed
16:56:30 <JarZ_> But the main unsolved problem for a launch from the surface of the Earth is nuclear fallout. Freeman Dyson, group leader on the project, estimated back in the '60s that with conventional nuclear weapons, each launch would cause fatal cancers in ten human beings from the fallout (note that this estimate is disputed- see radiation hormesis). The United States Government concurred and decided that because of the danger to human life and the danger to
16:56:34 <JarZ_> ^
16:57:01 <Timegrinder> er, I'm aware. But I'm talking from the point of view of problems with it regardless of whats mentioned there.
16:57:06 <Timegrinder> It just so happens that it is mentioned :P
16:57:11 <ash_> yeah but going from an simple idea like that into actually building it and making it would work be a huge engineering challenge, so they had ALOT more work to do then they'd already done
16:57:42 <JarZ_> i don't see how
16:57:56 <Timegrinder> shock absorbers are pretty simple, as would be creating the nuclear 'bomblets'
16:58:17 <Timegrinder> the only real issue would be putting it all together I think, and with current and upcoming technology it'd be pretty easy if they could construct it in space from nanomaterials
16:58:22 <JarZ_> also
16:58:26 <JarZ_> it specifically says in the article
16:58:28 <Timegrinder> putting it together in space would be easy now vs on the ground
16:58:28 <JarZ_> This extreme design could be built with materials and techniques that could be obtained in 1958 or were anticipated to be available shortly after. The practical upper limit is likely to be higher with modern materials.
16:58:35 <JarZ_> that's with the 8million ton version
16:59:13 <Timegrinder> I think it'd be better to build it however, as an interplanetary/interstellar transporation system that didn't require landing or lifting off
16:59:25 <Timegrinder> Just move it from 'spaceport to spaceport' so to speak
16:59:27 <JarZ_> Timegrinder; putting it together in space would make it a pointless craft just about - it would cost too much to get it into orbit, let alone constructing it in orbit
17:01:02 <Timegrinder> Firstly, that mainly applies to the idea of using nanomaterials, secondly, if they build it in space they wouldn't have to worry so much about shit like temporarily reinforcing the ship to hold it up/in place while they construct it under earths gravity
17:01:54 <ash_> the idea of using rockets is also simple in theory, but actually building one and safely launching it is a massive project
17:03:06 <JarZ_> yeah, but you were saying it didn't seem possible to do at all
17:03:30 <JarZ_> once the theory is there it just takes a bit of time and money to produce a product
17:03:30 <ash_> im saying that whether its possible or not is so far from proven
17:03:38 <JarZ_> in this case, a *lot* of time and money
17:03:51 <JarZ_> how so? small prototypes were flown
17:03:57 <JarZ_> it's simply a case of scaling up from that
17:04:01 <ash_> using conventional explosives
17:04:14 <JarZ_> and?
17:04:29 <ash_> you can't just assume that everything will scale
17:04:51 <JarZ_> true. but why are you assuming that it wont?
17:05:25 <ash_> ...i'm saying that its very far from being proven to be possible
17:05:55 <JarZ_> but it's proven to be possible, it's flown
17:05:59 <Timegrinder> they're still working on interstellar probes using the orion drive idea ash :P
17:06:13 <JarZ_> just not on a large interstellar scale
17:08:35 <Timegrinder> haha
17:08:46 <Timegrinder> dueterium fission's been a sci-fi constant for interstellar travel
17:09:27 <JarZ_> oh, and this sort of thing is why it wouldn't really be possible to build it in space...
17:10:22 <ash_> launching it from the earth would definately be the hardest thing
17:10:27 <JarZ_> gah doesnt want to copy/paste..
17:10:32 <JarZ_> basically
17:10:48 <JarZ_> space shuttle costs us$25,000 PER KILOGRAM
17:10:55 <JarZ_> and only has a payload of about 20,000kg
17:11:11 <JarZ_> orion, in todays dollars = 70c/kg
17:11:54 <JarZ_> so... $200billion to just get one of the jumbo sized orions into orbit via space shuttle payloads
17:11:55 <JarZ_> lol
17:12:23 <JarZ_> wait no
17:12:37 <JarZ_> $200,000 billion
17:12:38 <JarZ_> haha
17:13:40 <JarZ_> also ash, why do you think it'd be so hard to launch from the ground?
17:15:17 <ash_> gravity + atmosphere
17:15:23 <ash_> and safety
17:17:51 <JarZ_> so why would the orion be any different to any other spacecraft or aircraft then?
17:18:23 <JarZ_> since those are the same problems that affect any other space/aircraft
17:19:01 <Timegrinder> pulse based acceleration is a tad different to most of the ones we use andy
17:21:32 <JarZ_> hence the giant shock absorbers
17:22:15 <ash_> how is the first explosion going to work? they're going to have a nuke explode on the ground underneath it?
17:23:32 <Timegrinder> they said they'd use conventional explosives to lift it off the ground
17:23:43 <Timegrinder> due to the nuke's ability to liquify shit and send it careening into the pusher plate
17:24:23 <Timegrinder> and andy, the shock absorbers are the untested question here, they're still yet to be tested using fission explosives, so not the same technology or usage of todays air or spacecraft.
17:24:27 <ash_> that sounds a whole lot more feasable if they're not using nukes to get it off the ground
17:24:34 <Timegrinder> Yeah, it describes that later on ash
17:25:38 <Timegrinder> ahahaha
17:25:41 <Timegrinder> launched from antartica
17:25:46 <Timegrinder> they'd blow a fucking hole in the ice caps
17:26:10 <Timegrinder> not to mention probably melt a fucking huge area of ice under them from the radiation
17:26:58 <JarZ_> At low altitudes, during take-off, the fallout would be highly radioactive, and there was a grave danger of fluidic shrapnel being reflected from the ground. The solution was to use a flat plate of conventional explosives spread over the pusher plate, and detonate these to lift the ship from the ground before going nuclear. This would lift the ship far enough into the air that a focused nuclear blast would avoid harming the ship.
17:27:02 <JarZ_> it's all in the article :)
17:28:19 <Timegrinder> haha, several hundred mile wide EMP footprint, nice
17:29:05 <Timegrinder> haha
17:29:19 <Timegrinder> I forgot to mention that, another part of sending the payloads into space for construction was based on 'upcoming technology'
17:29:44 <Timegrinder> eg, the space elevator, possible high-energy magnetic propulsion systems (Mass drivers) etc
17:32:43 <JarZ_> yah
17:33:03 <Timegrinder> The article mentions payloading it in pieces into space anyway
17:33:16 <Timegrinder> and fuckm I forgot about Nevinyrral!
17:34:31 <Timegrinder> Also, in the book The Shiva Option by David Weber and Steve White, an arachnid homeworld is destroyed by converting several asteroids into Orion-drive starships and launching them at it.
17:34:32 <Timegrinder> ahaha
17:34:33 <Timegrinder> cool
17:34:54 <Timegrinder> I was thinking about the payloads they'd be able to attach to orion drive missiles to take out aseteroids
17:35:07 <Timegrinder> and could imagine them just making a huge metal fist to attach to one
17:35:53 <Timegrinder> the fuck, anyone remember this?
17:36:02 <Timegrinder> The spaceship Messiah in the 1998 disaster/science fiction film Deep Impact employs an Orion propulsion system by name only. Built jointly by the United States and Russia to destroy a rogue comet, the vessel is explicitly constructed and launched from Earth orbit. However, it didn't use the style of nuclear explosions described in this Wikipedia article.
17:38:18 <ash_> i remember watching the movie 'contact' when i was young and it was really trippy... i wanna watch that again some time
17:39:12 <JarZ_> i want to watch that again, too
17:40:07 <ash_> there hasn't been any good sci fi movies out in ages
17:41:07 <JarZ_> hitch hikers guide to the galaxy is the last one i can think of
17:41:11 <JarZ_> and that was over a year and a half ago
17:41:38 <Timegrinder> and that was shit, so ash's still right
17:41:44 <Timegrinder> how's this
17:41:49 <JarZ_> as if that was shit
17:41:52 <JarZ_> it was good
17:41:54 <Timegrinder> 232Thorium has a halflife three times the age of earth
17:42:05 <ash_> i thought it was pretty shit, but my opinion may have been tainted by having read and really loved the books
17:42:20 <Timegrinder> I haven't read th ebooks, I just saw the original movie
17:42:25 <JarZ_> i've read and really loved the books, too
17:42:27 <Timegrinder> Bad choice of actors, bad comparitive comedy
17:42:51 <JarZ_> it's an evolution of the story. exactly what douglas adams wanted
17:42:59 <Timegrinder> abotu the only vaguely comical part (albeit for about 5 seconds) was the improbability drive turning them into woolen people
17:43:34 <ash_> lol
17:46:00 <Timegrinder> holy fuck india's got 60,000 more tonnes of thorium in it than the entirety of Australia
17:46:29 <Timegrinder> pahaha, 14.05 billion year halflife, gg earth
17:47:30 <Timegrinder> In 1999, a group of University of Chicago students taking part in the annual scavenger hunt built a small, working nuclear reactor.
17:47:33 <Timegrinder> I rememebr hearing about that
17:52:38 <Timegrinder> http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/quackcures/endless.htm
17:52:39 <Timegrinder> wahaha
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19:10:55 <Taliesin> [17:15] <@Timegrinder> holy fuck india's got 60,000 more tonnes of thorium in it than the entirety of Australia
19:11:28 <Taliesin> yeah i was randomly reading today at uni that india wants to start looking into using Thorium for their energy needs
19:11:34 <Timegrinder> yeah
19:11:48 <Timegrinder> they've setup their nuclear power schedule to phase out all other substances and rely purely on thorium
19:15:59 <Carson> yeah @ ninemsn
19:16:05 <Timegrinder> haha
19:16:05 <Timegrinder> nice
19:16:06 <Carson> home page was alright
19:16:12 <Carson> news was just getting hammered really hard
19:16:14 <Timegrinder> news would've died
19:16:30 <Carson> tis ok, we were still in progress of fixing up shit from mondays fiascos
19:16:37 <Timegrinder> ah
19:16:49 <Carson> and hence, we now have their main db running on its own database cluster, and 4 new servers serving news
19:16:55 <Timegrinder> wow
19:16:58 <Carson> so if another celebrity dies next week, we'll be ready
19:17:01 <Timegrinder> Ahahaha
19:17:05 <JarZ_> nah
19:17:07 <Timegrinder> Motto?
19:17:08 <JarZ_> they come in 3s
19:17:12 <JarZ_> and that'd done already
19:17:12 <Timegrinder> It's been three
19:17:14 <Timegrinder> ah, :P
19:17:16 <JarZ_> that's, rather
19:17:17 <Timegrinder> yeah
19:17:20 <Timegrinder> as I was saying earlier
19:17:22 <Carson> pfft, sif the author or whatever counts
19:17:25 <Timegrinder> Irwin, Thiele and Brock
19:17:28 <Carson> there was barely a spike in traffic
19:17:31 <Timegrinder> he's pretty huge :P
19:17:34 <Carson> let alone actual performance issues
19:17:36 <JarZ_> yeah really
19:17:45 <Timegrinder> yeah, but people were already surfing for irwin by then methinks
19:17:53 <Carson> irwin/brock are alot bigger
19:18:32 <JarZ_> anyone who's ever been to school in australia should know thiele
19:18:36 <Timegrinder> I think Theile would mean more honest emotions to a lot of literary people
19:18:36 <JarZ_> his books are rather famous
19:18:53 <Timegrinder> and most of those people would've probably just found out and that's it
19:19:06 <Timegrinder> as opposed to mass bullshitting everywhere "OMG THIELES DEAD LETS MAKE JOKES LETS HIT NEWS SITES"
19:19:24 <Timegrinder> though a lot of our generation are ignorant to who Thiele even was andy
19:19:38 <Timegrinder> I didn't know him by name but the second they mentioned 'author of stormboy' I'm like "WHAT. THE. FUCK."
20:05:00 <aSH^> ey
20:05:08 <aSH^> brock is massive
20:05:56 <aSH^> how did theile die though? it only counts towards the three if he got killed by a book or something
20:06:59 <Carson> haha
20:07:01 <Carson> pen works
20:09:27 <aSH^> i've had my fair share of toxins today. first was exposure to toner waste, then i bought some new shoes and waterproof sprayed them which fumed me up pretty good
20:09:35 <aSH^> damn nausea
20:11:46 <Carson> drank the toner?
20:12:40 <aSH^> lol
20:12:48 <aSH^> nah not quite that extreme, just got a bit on my hands
20:34:23 <Timegrinder> haha
20:34:30 <Timegrinder> I should remember to waterproof my shoes
20:37:15 <JarZ_> oh yeah
20:37:15 <JarZ_> lol
20:37:17 <JarZ_> i need to do the same
20:39:50 <aSH^> yah
20:40:06 <aSH^> aparently you should do it for leather/suede to make it last longer
20:40:23 <Timegrinder> yeah
20:40:35 <Timegrinder> mine'r just nice and suedy, but doubt they're suede
20:46:02 <JarZ_> yah i need to do it with my work shoes
20:46:10 <JarZ_> they're already pretty fucked though
20:46:11 <JarZ_> :|
20:50:06 <Carson> haha
20:50:12 <Carson> calling bigpond about support for ipv6
20:50:21 <Carson> "uhh, can you explain what that is..."
20:50:30 <Carson> "... lemme just put you on hold while look up that info"
20:50:34 <Timegrinder> hahahaha
21:10:39 <stefan> hah, spoke to internode about that, their entire network supports ipv6 end to end now, just not deployed for residential applications
21:36:36 <aSH^> the transition is taking forever
21:36:42 <aSH^> :o
21:40:06 <stefan> wow, that was quick
21:40:07 <stefan> Discovery.The.Crocodile.Hunter.Pt1of3.Steves.Story.DivX521-AC3.www.MVGroup.org.avi
21:40:58 <stefan> or not, may not be new
22:05:22 <Carson> ash, yeah, a very long time
22:05:40 <Carson> i just read about an article that vista has it enabled by default, which will probably help adoption
22:05:46 <Carson> ... over the next 5+ years though :(
22:05:54 <Carson> i got it working on my gateway box now
22:06:06 <Carson> haven't quite figured out how to get it working for the rest of my network though
22:06:21 <Carson> without setting up individual tunnels for each workstation
22:21:59 <aSH^> you can get a /48 through some brokers which is massive
22:22:19 <aSH^> and they will delegate the reverse dns to your servers too
22:27:28 <Carson> yeah
22:27:32 <Carson> i think i've done that
22:27:37 <Carson> haven't played with it much yet
22:27:45 <Carson> www.hexago.com
22:28:10 <Carson> ipv6 ips are so hard to type
22:28:40 <aSH^> yeah, that sucks
22:28:58 <aSH^> they'd be really awkward to read out over the phone too
22:29:00 <Carson> hexago? or typing?
22:29:02 <Carson> yeah
22:29:25 <aSH^> it's like mac addresses, but worse
22:30:26 <Carson> wtf...
22:30:36 <Carson> pinging the ip bound to my routerbox from my mac:
22:30:39 <Carson> root@gadjmac:~# ping6 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:5885
22:30:39 <Carson> PING 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:5885(2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::5885) 56 data bytes
22:30:42 <Carson> 64 bytes from 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::5885: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.306 ms
22:30:44 <Carson> 64 bytes from 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::5885: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.257 ms
22:30:47 <Carson> --- 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:5885 ping statistics ---
22:30:49 <Carson> 82 packets transmitted, 2 received, 97% packet loss, time 81374ms
22:30:52 <Carson> randomly works, but drops packets most of the time...
22:30:54 <Carson> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.257/0.281/0.306/0.029 ms
22:32:25 <aSH^> lol @ gadjmac
22:33:11 <Carson> gadjpock is better :)
22:33:16 <Carson> (my pocketpc/gps)
22:33:18 <aSH^> lol
22:34:12 <Carson> hmmm, now it pings every time...
22:34:51 <Carson> or not
22:57:18 <stefan> ~weather Kent
22:57:24 <Vigilante> Temperature at Kent Town is 9.1 celsius
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