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19:31:00 * Set by linying on Wed Oct 15 06:29:41
19:31:00 <clay|screwedaja> sup glen
19:31:00 <Glenn> Hey Clay... had a rough day huh?
19:31:00 * ChanOP sets mode: +v [InTeNCiTy]
19:32:00 <[InTeNCiTy]> =)
19:32:00 <Glenn> We met before [InTeNCiTy]?
19:34:00 * Glenn is now known as linying
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19:34:00 <linying> wb Lpy`a
19:35:00 <clay|screwedaja> yes glenn
19:35:00 <clay|screwedaja> very rough
19:35:00 <clay|screwedaja> worst day in uni i reckon
19:35:00 <clay|screwedaja> i just had my thesis presentation..along with my group..
19:35:00 <clay|screwedaja> it didnt go well
19:35:00 <linying> I've had a rough couple of weeks! Yesterday was better.. today even better... :)
19:35:00 <[InTeNCiTy]> dun think so
19:36:00 <clay|screwedaja> my parnters... u tell them no to do it coz u thik its wrong.. and they do it...and what they did my superviso didnt like it
19:36:00 <clay|screwedaja> and they pounded them with questions
19:36:00 <linying> ...mmmmmm... group final year project... I'm supervising about 20 students, single and group doing the same thing...
19:36:00 <clay|screwedaja> and was seemed dissappointed
19:36:00 <linying> ...mmmmm...
19:36:00 <clay|screwedaja> well..hopefully those groups know how to follow instructions
19:37:00 <clay|screwedaja> coz my partners.. ive been telling them to stick to the requirement criteria.. they never did
19:37:00 <linying> ...er, no.
19:37:00 <clay|screwedaja> they were all over the place... . anyway they had all these robotic lego sets and demonstrated as their thesis project
19:37:00 <linying> I've got a couple who I even told where to go... and they can't even do that!!!!!
19:38:00 <clay|screwedaja> omg i know how u feel glenn
19:38:00 <linying> *sigh*
19:38:00 <clay|screwedaja> and i know why lecturers get so cranky
19:38:00 <linying> ...'specially this time of year...
19:38:00 <clay|screwedaja> anyway glenn i must ask
19:38:00 <linying> ...uh oh...
19:38:00 <clay|screwedaja> if you a presentation
19:38:00 <clay|screwedaja> and if ur lecturer/supervisor doesnt ask you any question
19:38:00 <linying> I'd be worried...
19:39:00 <clay|screwedaja> is that a good thing or a bad thing
19:39:00 <clay|screwedaja> yeah..thats what im feeling now
19:40:00 <clay|screwedaja> he was busy asking questions and criticising my partners.. he forgot about me..and more over my part in the group is not so electrical eng related.. well that was my allocated tasks
19:40:00 <linying> Either indicates the lecturer didn't understand a word, or you didn't convey you content well enough... or you covered the presentation too well.
19:40:00 <clay|screwedaja> what im angry is that if i get marks deducted coz he didnt like my partners work..
19:41:00 <linying> ...mmmmm.... I tend to assess on the basis of proctivity and contribution... much fairer.
19:41:00 <clay|screwedaja> lol.. i think i didnt convey enough... or perhaps he didnt care or was too busy stressin about my partners task
19:41:00 <linying> ...productivity...
19:41:00 <linying> Prob your funny accent... <*smirk*>
19:41:00 <clay|screwedaja> well not just the talk
19:41:00 <clay|screwedaja> ???
19:41:00 <clay|screwedaja> yeah
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> maybe
19:42:00 <linying> heeheehee... :)
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> i was nervous and started mumblin
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> anyway i do bad in presentation
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> i dont care if he marks me down for that
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> but if he marks me down coz my efforts.. then id be angry
19:42:00 <clay|screwedaja> coz of my efforts***
19:42:00 <linying> 'tis OK... I had to talk to a delegation of visiting Chinese academics today... they're probably still killing themselves laughing over MY funny accent!
19:43:00 <clay|screwedaja> lol
19:43:00 <clay|screwedaja> and they prolly get the same thing too when they speak engrissh
19:43:00 <linying> The looks on THEIR faces was priceless... almost had me rofl!!!!
19:43:00 <clay|screwedaja> anyway ..u know.. langauage is barrier of fully conveying ourselfs
19:44:00 <linying> Yeah... I know... :)
19:44:00 <clay|screwedaja> if only they had mind reading technology
19:44:00 <clay|screwedaja> seriously.. some ppl out there are hard working..but i think its unfair that they dont get the deserved marks because they presented shit
19:45:00 <clay|screwedaja> i mean there are alot of ppl that do poorly in presentation
19:45:00 <linying> Yeah... but the presentation is only part of the assessment... don't worry! :)
19:47:00 <clay|screwedaja> i hope so
19:47:00 <clay|screwedaja> i hope that he reads the report
19:47:00 <clay|screwedaja> hes the type of person that seems to not read reports..rather mark u based on ur presentation
19:48:00 <clay|screwedaja> and the HIP controller..mate i spent a whole nite soldering it..i didnt have the chance to present it
19:48:00 <linying> 'tis OK... wait and see... the pass is important.. anything else after that is a bonus!
19:49:00 <clay|screwedaja> well thats a good way of looking at it
19:50:00 * [InTeNCiTy] ([email protected]) Quit (Exit: `oOo(.'')_~ ItS HieU!... d=)+-<...HieU aGaiN!! ....(,'')_~ U DuN NeeD Me To TeLL u Hu THiS iS!!)
19:50:00 <linying> 'tis what I tell my stoodents...
19:50:00 <clay|screwedaja> so ur students only aim to get pass then?
19:51:00 <linying> Nope... HD of course!
19:51:00 <clay|screwedaja> lol
19:51:00 <clay|screwedaja> unless u freely give them HD
19:51:00 <linying> ....er, no... :)
19:52:00 <clay|screwedaja> marks marks marks
19:52:00 <clay|screwedaja> its all about marks
19:53:00 <linying> I've had not time recently to get back into my own research. Mu 60kg mobile robot base still does nothing other than try to avoid any-one who gets in its wat. I guess that's the most important thing at the moment.
19:53:00 <clay|screwedaja> did u always wanna specialise in robotics glenn?
19:55:00 <linying> Nope... had an interest in the "artificial intelligence" component for many many years... 'cept we didn't call it "robotics" then... more "applied control systems".
19:56:00 * Lpy`a is now known as Lpy
19:56:00 <linying> ...must've got Lpy's interest now...
19:57:00 <Lpy> ?
19:57:00 <linying> :()
20:02:00 <clay|screwedaja> sorry was away sulking
20:02:00 <linying> 'tis OK...
20:02:00 <clay|screwedaja> have u worked in the industry b4 glenn
20:02:00 <clay|screwedaja> wb derek
20:02:00 <linying> Yes... a variety!
20:03:00 <clay|screwedaja> like?
20:03:00 <clay|screwedaja> and what did ya do
20:04:00 <linying> ...er, a cook, a car sales manager, a radio/tv service manager, a fam machinery salesman (also mechanic) a pinball machine technician...
20:05:00 <linying> Sold life insuurancefor a few months until I realised that the company was getting all the mony, and not me.
20:06:00 <linying> Designed and built my first computer in 1976... and went downhill after that!
20:07:00 <clay|screwedaja> lolol
20:07:00 <clay|screwedaja> IBM?
20:07:00 <clay|screwedaja> when did u go back to uni
20:08:00 <linying> National SCMP... then a Motorola 6800
20:08:00 <linying> 1980
20:08:00 <clay|screwedaja> then been there ever since?
20:08:00 <linying> Was the only one in the department with a computer at the time... pretty well the only one in the whole district!
20:08:00 <linying> Yeah...
20:09:00 <clay|screwedaja> u bought ur own?
20:09:00 <clay|screwedaja> or made it
20:09:00 <clay|screwedaja> how fast was it
20:09:00 <clay|screwedaja> 20 MHz?
20:09:00 <linying> Made it... ever board, pcb, hole and solder joint..
20:10:00 <linying> ...er, 1Meg.... with 4K of static RAM. Had cassette backup initially, but upgraded that to a Shutgard SA400 floppy drive.
20:10:00 <clay|screwedaja> sick
20:10:00 <clay|screwedaja> what program?
20:10:00 <clay|screwedaja> what games?
20:12:00 <linying> ..byt todays standards, yes.. but not then! By 1982, I had a full multi-user/multi-tasking mini... upgraded to a MC6809 process in 1984... :)
20:12:00 <linying> Adventure was always popular... which remains the basis of almost all maze type gams since!
20:14:00 <linying> Actually wrote my own virus in 1987.... demonstrated thhe flaws in UNIX... :)
20:17:00 <clay|screwedaja> lol
20:17:00 <clay|screwedaja> what did ur virus do?
20:17:00 <linying> The "virus" would probably still work today... :)
20:18:00 <clay|screwedaja> have u tried it
20:18:00 <clay|screwedaja> anyway how do u write viruses..
20:19:00 <linying> Called "rabbit"... the parent proces would spawn a couple of child processes... which would then spawn their own child processes... but the original parent would die. Eventually, all available mempry and processing time would be consumed by rabbits.... and the processor would simply stop.
20:20:00 <linying> Onece the original parent dies in UNIX, you cannot kill the sibling processes.
20:21:00 <clay|screwedaja> interesting
20:21:00 <clay|screwedaja> so have u shot down one major bank or business company with that hting?
20:22:00 <linying> ...nah... but I sure upset the computer centre sysop at the time!
20:23:00 <linying> I had a random time delay for the spawning of new processes, and another for the killing of the parents... usually took around half an hour to quietly strangle the UNIX box...
20:24:00 <linying> sysop would do a ps -lax and see a whole bunch of rabbits infesting his machine.
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