// #sydney — 2023-11-27
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14:02:00 <k-man> hello
14:02:00 <gry> hi, welcome :)
14:02:00 <k-man> thanks gry
14:03:00 <gry> how are you doing?
14:03:00 <k-man> good thank you and you?
14:04:00 <gry> moderately ok
14:04:00 <gry> doing heaps of driving on weekend for my brothers sports
14:04:00 <k-man> ah
14:05:00 <gry> maybe next year mum'll start learning to drive too; wasn't a thing that we really needed before
14:05:00 <k-man> yeah, it's a think with kids these days
14:05:00 <k-man> s/think/thing
14:05:00 <gry> our household is bit picky, it has to necessarily be an electric car, and those are anything but meant to be used for learning to drive
14:05:00 <gry> sister says 100% ev
14:05:00 <gry> mum says must be suv with over 20cm ground clearance
14:05:00 <gry> i think i'm a bit more minimalist than that
14:06:00 <gry> GoodCarCo has good deals, but only 6 months warranty
14:06:00 <k-man> are you talking about buying or renting?
14:06:00 <gry> so throwing 30k at a new secondhand car and then finding that 6 months 1 day later its suspensions or something else went out doesn't sound very pleasing
14:06:00 <gry> buying
14:07:00 <k-man> ah
14:07:00 <gry> we've been renting, had all sorts of issues
14:07:00 <gry> from uber carshare
14:07:00 <gry> aircon not working
14:07:00 <gry> mouldy car interior
14:07:00 <gry> car doesn't start (flat battery)
14:07:00 <gry> car starts but complains (bad battery)
14:07:00 <gry> car starts but complains (missing coolant fluid, which turned out to be water)
14:07:00 <k-man> fwiw, cars cost a lot of money to maintain. ie, you should expect ingoing maintenance costs
14:07:00 <k-man> and so put money asside to pay for that
14:08:00 <gry> i think it's about 4k a year if used extensively for daily commute, so a bit less if only used once a week?
14:08:00 <gry> we have a puppy, puppies vet visits are expensive.. this december plan is to get a pet insurance
14:08:00 <k-man> years ago i searched for the lowest TCO car, and at that time it was the hyundai getz (according to one of the NRMA type companies, but i think it was RACV)
14:09:00 <gry> TCO?
14:09:00 <k-man> i bought one based on that and it was great. ran on fumes, never went wrong. cost very little to maintain. insurance cost was low etc.
14:09:00 <k-man> total cost of ownership
14:09:00 <gry> i see
14:10:00 <gry> https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-i30-wins-nrmas-cost-of-ownership-award/ lol, that's 2010
14:15:00 <k-man> also imo buying an EV is going to add significantly to your TCO
14:16:00 <k-man> that's fine if that's a premium you want to pay for
15:52:00 <gry> hi mr TwistedBlister42
15:52:00 <gry> k-man: i've no idea about that; electricity prices are growing
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