// #austnet — 2015-08-29
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16:24:34 <pollock`d> oi mate
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16:27:30 <Lwaxana> ?
16:27:40 <pollock`d> morning to ya
16:27:53 <blargh> morning to y'all too
16:28:18 <blargh> i'm hoping that somebody, sometime, can explain something to me
16:28:32 <pollock`d> shoot one off mate
16:28:43 <blargh> what, right in front of everybody?
16:28:50 <pollock`d> yeah
16:29:42 <Lwaxana> explain what
16:29:50 <blargh> it's disgustingly common for IRC networks to do the, "you cannot /list within 60 seconds of connecting," thing... which would have made sense to me when DoS was actually relevant, but it seems like the more DoS becomes unlikely the more common the /list delay becomes
16:29:57 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Lwaxana
16:30:11 <blargh> in IRC networks, i mean
16:30:16 <pollock`d> ok
16:30:43 <Lwaxana> blargh let's just call it a short coming of IRC
16:30:46 <blargh> honestly, it seems to me to be counterproductive. as a live user, when i get the delay notification, i tend to spam /list by hitting "up-arrow-enter"
16:30:51 <pollock`d> you won't miss out on anything
16:30:54 <Lwaxana> and hoe you get over it soon
16:31:12 <Lwaxana> +p
16:31:19 <blargh> it's not actually part of the IRC protocol specification, Lwax, and I'm absolutely certain that it's optional in your daemon build
16:31:22 <pollock`d> ive been looking for my old pal
16:31:49 <blargh> i just want to know wtf people are including it for. what's the point? what's the logic? why the pain? i must understand it to overlook it
16:31:51 <Lwaxana> well set a timer so you don't do it as soon as you join
16:32:01 <Lwaxana> excuse the bold
16:32:21 <blargh> i don't use timers
16:32:40 <Lwaxana> wll dont do list as soon as you join then
16:32:41 <pollock`d> put one on your head
16:32:46 <blargh> i use fingers which are slightly more accurate than timers, given the timeslice variants of operating systems
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16:33:16 <blargh> of course, if i did use timers, would i not be actively doing what the server-side timer is designed to prevent?
16:33:20 <Lwaxana> why do it?
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16:33:32 <blargh> yes, why do it is my question
16:33:45 <Lwaxana> no why do YOU do it
16:34:17 <Lwaxana> we do it to stop bots
16:34:22 <Lwaxana> but
16:34:27 <Lwaxana> why do YOU do it
16:34:43 <blargh> why do I do what? choose to connect to 1 server at a time and type /list rather than connect to so many that i can literally engorge myself with motds over the 60 second waiting period before i can list channels on a network which i connected to earlier?
16:36:01 <Lwaxana> still doesnt make sense
16:36:17 <Lwaxana> why do you need a list everytime you connect
16:37:25 <blargh> i don't know why i connect to 1 network at a time. call it eccentricity, or call it some pathetically petulant desire to actually get to know a place before checking out the next one. i also can't imagine why i start typing /list before the end of the obligatory motd spam. maybe it's because i'm Irish
16:38:12 <blargh> how exactly did my original question, "wtf is the 60 second waiting period for," become, "why do you care?"
16:38:53 <Lwaxana> [16:34] <Lwaxana> we do it to stop bots
16:39:14 <Lwaxana> I have answered your question
16:39:44 <blargh> i would have thought that your answer, 'bots,' would have fallen under my original dismissal of, 'DoS has been a joke for 20 years now.'
16:40:04 <Lwaxana> your dismissal is invalid
16:40:06 <blargh> are there in fact IRC bots that do things other than attempt DoS?
16:40:13 <Lwaxana> yes
16:40:23 <blargh> no shit?
16:40:35 <blargh> like what then?
16:43:23 <Lwaxana> tor bots
16:43:36 Mode: (by ChanOP) -o Lwaxana
16:44:01 <Lwaxana> unless there is something else you need ..I have work to do
16:47:18 <Lwaxana> [16:31] <pollock`d> ive been looking for my old pal
16:47:54 <blargh> what is a tor bot?
16:48:12 <Lwaxana> ask Jeeves
16:48:36 <blargh> google seems to think that searching for 'tor bot' means i'm interested in an Android package called, "Orbot."
16:49:44 <blargh> google seems also to think that searching for 'tor bot irc' means i'm interested in a DDoS package, which falls under my previous remarks which you (Lwaxana) previously categorized as invalid.
16:50:51 <blargh> i'm truly interested in a bluntly informed answer. i don't care if i have to wait until someone who can provide one shows their face, but i specifically dis-appreciate random nonsense
16:51:55 <Lwaxana> *sigh* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbot
16:52:49 <blargh> so we're back to D/DoS
16:53:16 <Lwaxana> and then wander off to
16:53:17 <blargh> i therefore call your sigh and raise you a facepalm
16:53:18 <Lwaxana> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
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16:53:20 <Lwaxana> and then
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16:53:26 <Lwaxana> get over it
16:53:32 <blargh> show me how
16:53:50 <blargh> the 60 second delay text is the same on every network that employs it
16:53:53 <blargh> think about that
16:54:07 <Lwaxana> THEN STOP DOING IT
16:54:39 <Lwaxana> would you like assist removing it from your script??
16:54:44 <blargh> you're inconveniencing legit users in such a manner as cannot possibly inconvenience malware programmers who have simple text-matching libraries available in their language of choice
16:54:59 <Lwaxana> oh well
16:55:16 <Lwaxana> its staying
16:55:37 <Lwaxana> so stop whinging about it
16:55:48 <blargh> and you're the network headgod or just the vociferously opinionated oline available at this time?
16:56:00 <Lwaxana> yes
16:56:07 <blargh> which?
16:59:05 <Lwaxana> what?
16:59:18 <Lwaxana> cause now u are annoying me
17:00:02 <blargh> i started annoying you several dozen posts after you started annoying me, so let's call it even
17:00:24 <Lwaxana> fine
17:00:31 <Lwaxana> then go off and chat
17:00:38 <blargh> well
17:00:45 <Lwaxana> before I make a mistake
17:00:56 <blargh> there's the part of me that's playing trivia and there's the part of me that still wants a rational answer to my question in here
17:01:16 <Lwaxana> and feed your ip into the range of bots that I am banning
17:02:19 <blargh> then there's the part of me that will stfu until adults arrive, hopefully before too much longer since it's already 12-16 hours ahead in the so-called "southern land"
17:03:09 <blargh> but given your combination of emperor's new clothes answers backed up with threats of power abuse if i don't just suck up what you're swilling, i doubt if you'll leave it at that
17:08:07 <Lwaxana> ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
17:08:35 <Lwaxana> you have got your answer
17:08:48 <Lwaxana> and its the ONLY one you will get
17:09:07 <Lwaxana> and I didnt threaten
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17:09:31 <Lwaxana> but now
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17:21:40 <Lwaxana> weird
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